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[manhime]

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43   Of course everyone can take part in this thread.  If you were a friend of Jim's please say so in your reply.

Ok so we all know Jim died in Paris July 3rd, 1971.  If you were able to go back in time and run into Jim in Paris.  Either on his apartment street or Rock and Roll Circus for example.  Let's say you found Jim July 1st or July 2nd. From what we read he was approachable. Let's say you offered him a drink or Lunch and he accepted.  

Do you think if you told him that he would DIE in 1 or 2 days on July 3rd.  Do you think he would listen and run to the hospital or would he ignore you and continue on his path of doom.  Would his personality allow someone help him when it came to his drinking?  

Bottom line.  Would it be possible to SAVE Jim Morrison?

[Queen182]

manhime, on 07 August 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43   Of course everyone can take part in this thread.  If you were a friend of Jim's please say so in your reply.

Ok so we all know Jim died in Paris July 3rd, 1971.  If you were able to go back in time and run into Jim in Paris.  Either on his apartment street or Rock and Roll Circus for example.  Let's say you found Jim July 1st or July 2nd. From what we read he was approachable. Let's say you offered him a drink or Lunch and he accepted.  

Do you think if you told him that he would DIE in 1 or 2 days on July 3rd.  Do you think he would listen and run to the hospital or would he ignore you and continue on his path of doom.  Would his personality allow someone help him when it came to his drinking?  

Bottom line.  Would it be possible to SAVE Jim Morrison?

We can only save those with outstretched hands. I may very well be wrong, I believe it was an accident..honetly. He never intended to take that long walk. So to try and save him would possibly be pointless, because he was doing okay in his mind. We all have an act, a life, a story to tell. Jim tried very hard to express his help to the masses. He was very real and raw. Sadly the movie makers sensationalized his expressions. I do not know him personally, I do know some that did!  

[manhime]

Queen182, on 07 August 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

We can only save those with outstretched hands. I may very well be wrong, I believe it was an accident..honetly. He never intended to take that long walk. So to try and save him would possibly be pointless, because he was doing okay in his mind. We all have an act, a life, a story to tell. Jim tried very hard to express his help to the masses. He was very real and raw. Sadly the movie makers sensationalized his expressions. I do not know him personally, I do know some that did!  

Didn't he cough up blood days before and Pam made him see a doctor.He did not listen to the doctor.  Yet if you could tell him you were from the future and he would be dead in a couple of days.  I wonder how he would react.

"that long walk"  You mean the one he took with Alain Ronay?

I just found Alain's account of Jim's passing.  I just started reading it.  Very interesting.  Jim was having violent Hiccups July 2nd. According to Alain

http://archives.wait..._last_days.html


Thanks for answering.   I think it is a very interesting thought

Edited by manhime, 07 August 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Just Another Dark Witness]

I've lived enough life to know you can't save people from themselves. They themselves have to do it. Otherwise I would have kicked Jim's ass and said "Dude, you can NOT do heroin. EVER!". Other than that, there ain't much anyone could do. Alcohol might be a slow death, but at least we could have gotten 30 more years out of Jim, maybe. People just don't learn about this heroin shit. One of my kids young nannies, she musta been 20. Had a 19 year old boyfriend. She found out she was pregnant. The boyfriend snorted heroin the next week and died. First time. Dumb idiot. Now her 15 year old kid will never know his father. It's all sad.

[morrison005]

manhime, on 07 August 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43   Of course everyone can take part in this thread.  If you were a friend of Jim's please say so in your reply.

Ok so we all know Jim died in Paris July 3rd, 1971.  If you were able to go back in time and run into Jim in Paris.  Either on his apartment street or Rock and Roll Circus for example.  Let's say you found Jim July 1st or July 2nd. From what we read he was approachable. Let's say you offered him a drink or Lunch and he accepted.  

Do you think if you told him that he would DIE in 1 or 2 days on July 3rd.  Do you think he would listen and run to the hospital or would he ignore you and continue on his path of doom.  Would his personality allow someone help him when it came to his drinking?  

Bottom line.  Would it be possible to SAVE Jim Morrison?

Well...I don't think that I would have been an "enabler" and offered him a drink if I was planning on saving him from himself.  The only way that he would believe that I was from the future would be for me to show him something unusual from the present day. Therefore, before getting into this time machine of yours, I would take several items to prove my authenticity like a couple of books about his death and some recent photographs of his family members.  It wouldn't hurt to take along Robby Krieger, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek either.  Actually...I'd leave Ray at home.  He talks too much and would probably screw everything up.  

[manhime]

morrison005, on 07 August 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

Well...I don't think that I would have been an "enabler" and offered him a drink if I was planning on saving him from himself.  The only way that he would believe that I was from the future would be for me to show him something unusual from the present day. Therefore, before getting into this time machine of yours, I would take several items to prove my authenticity like a couple of books about his death and some recent photographs of his family members.  It wouldn't hurt to take along Robby Krieger, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek either.  Actually...I'd leave Ray at home.  He talks too much and would probably screw everything up.  

Enable?  He has 2 days until he dies?  LOL  Enable.

[Enya]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 07 August 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

One of my kids young nannies, she musta been 20. Had a 19 year old boyfriend. She found out she was pregnant. The boyfriend snorted heroin the next week and died. First time. Dumb idiot. Now her 15 year old kid will never know his father. It's all sad.

That is such a horrid story!

Manhime, I imagine a few good friends tried to influence (save) Jim, but he was stubborn and dismissive in his choices. There is only so much one can do and nobody is clearvoyant. I think, in the late sixties and early seventies many people (famous and the ordinary) lost their lives over drugs including alcohol. There were not so many rehabs back then and you were on your own.

[mizscarlett43]

manhime, on 07 August 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43   Of course everyone can take part in this thread.  If you were a friend of Jim's please say so in your reply.

Ok so we all know Jim died in Paris July 3rd, 1971.  If you were able to go back in time and run into Jim in Paris.  Either on his apartment street or Rock and Roll Circus for example.  Let's say you found Jim July 1st or July 2nd. From what we read he was approachable. Let's say you offered him a drink or Lunch and he accepted.  

Do you think if you told him that he would DIE in 1 or 2 days on July 3rd.  Do you think he would listen and run to the hospital or would he ignore you and continue on his path of doom.  Would his personality allow someone help him when it came to his drinking?  

Bottom line.  Would it be possible to SAVE Jim Morrison?

Save him from what? His destiny? He did what he came here to do and then he split. Remember his "shooting star" description of his life? He knew how it would be...and I'm convinced that at some deeply subconscious level he knew exactly what he needed to do to become the legend he is.

For instance, who's the bigger film legend, James Dean--who was killed racing his Porsche at the age of 24 after making exactly 2 films (Rebel Without a Cause and Giant)--or Paul Newman, who died of cancer at the age of 80-something after a long and happy life (and a gazillion movies) like the nice Jewish boy he was?

Legends can't get old, bald and creaky and die of mundane things like cancer. That's just one of the rules. (It's also probably why Clint Eastwood has all but vanished from public life. He was aging splendidly for years, but there comes a point where the downhill slide accelerates precipitously and what's left of the person becomes virtually unrecognizable. I saw that with my own mother, who died in 2010 at the age of 94, and who was herself, both physically and mentally, well into her 80s but went into a steep decline in late 2007. Her physical death was actually sort of anticlimactic, since she'd essentially ceased being herself 2-3 years earlier.)

[manhime]

mizscarlett43, on 12 August 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Save him from what? His destiny? He did what he came here to do and then he split. Remember his "shooting star" description of his life? He knew how it would be...and I'm convinced that at some deeply subconscious level he knew exactly what he needed to do to become the legend he is.

For instance, who's the bigger film legend, James Dean--who was killed racing his Porsche at the age of 24 after making exactly 2 films (Rebel Without a Cause and Giant)--or Paul Newman, who died of cancer at the age of 80-something after a long and happy life (and a gazillion movies) like the nice Jewish boy he was?

Legends can't get old, bald and creaky and die of mundane things like cancer. That's just one of the rules. (It's also probably why Clint Eastwood has all but vanished from public life. He was aging splendidly for years, but there comes a point where the downhill slide accelerates precipitously and what's left of the person becomes virtually unrecognizable. I saw that with my own mother, who died in 2010 at the age of 94, and who was herself, both physically and mentally, well into her 80s but went into a steep decline in late 2007. Her physical death was actually sort of anticlimactic, since she'd essentially ceased being herself 2-3 years earlier.)

First off, I want to sincerely thank you for taking part in this thread.  Your thoughts hold tremendous weight since you personally knew Jim Morrison.

Just wondering if you ever told him to take it easy on the drinking and whatever drugs he might of been doing?  

If you knew for a fact that he was going to die and the young age of 27 and you told him when and where he would die.  Would self-preservation take hold and he would go to the hospital or Mayo Clinic.  No one wants to die at such a young age.  I remember some interview. Where he said he wanted to get old and live for a long time.  

However I do wonder what he would say if told the option of (1) Living for a long time or (2) Die young become a legend?

Are you saying he purposefully went on a life course that would make him a legend?  That he did not care if this legend took him before the age of 30?

Did you ever have life and death discussions with Jim?

Again Thank You so much.

Edited by manhime, 12 August 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[giza]

manhime, on 12 August 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

First off, I want to sincerely thank you for taking part in this thread.  Your thoughts hold tremendous weight since you personally knew Jim Morrison.

the only person that say that is salli stevenson who claimed that morrison was her friend and sugerman was morrison little brother..hilariously ridiculous That never happened according to frank lisciandro.. so you are wasting your time..anyway.. much funny..as usual..

[Salli]

Out of practise here, Sorry for the double duplicate post.

Edited by Salli, 14 August 2012 - 09:49 PM.

[Salli]

giza, on 14 August 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

the only person that say that is salli stevenson who claimed that morrison was her friend and sugerman was morrison little brother..hilariously ridiculous That never happened according to frank lisciandro.. so you are wasting your time..anyway.. much funny..as usual..

There are/were several people who have posted on this board who knew Jim personally, including me. Another is Janet/Mizscarlett.

Giza has issues.  He likes to come on here and call me a liar. I never said Danny was Jim's little brother. Andy was Jim's little brother. Jim said he thought of Danny as being like a little brother. Big difference. I have to get back to my real life now. Mummy calls.

[giza]

i was talking about the bullshits about you and erwin saying you were morrison friends..over you two there are no one saying that..it's hilariously ridiculous That never happened and statements you wrote on sugerman point out what i claim..dude..morrison did not like sugerman, sugerman did not know morrison unless you want call lisciandro a liar so you are wasting your time,here are frank quotes on sugerman

j. morrison&the doors lyrics
davide sapienza
montecito california, aprile 1991

you know, i'd point out clearly that sugerman didn't know morrison. he was 13 years old at the time, sometime he did little work for office but...he was 13 years old understand? and he claims to be his drink mate, his friend..do me a favor, when you come back in italy write that sugerman didn't know morrison!..

Music Connection
Steven P. Wheeler
March 1991

Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.

"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."

here is sugerman.. morrison little brother   it's hilariously ridiculous That never happened according to frank..haha..you are funny as usual..so yes..is better you come back to your real life..cause your virtual life here IS over.

[giza]

Salli, on 08 July 2011 - 11:05 PM, said:

Checked Jerry's blog. Didn't find the quote you referred to anywhere.

I was around during the time that Jim was alive. I was not an acquaintance of Jim's. I was a friend.

http://www.thedoors....pic=21356&st=20

[mizscarlett43]

giza, on 14 August 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

the only person that say that is salli stevenson who claimed that morrison was her friend and sugerman was morrison little brother..hilariously ridiculous That never happened according to frank lisciandro.. so you are wasting your time..anyway.. much funny..as usual..

Folks, for what seems like the millionth time, poor Giza's a bit of a nutter.  Lisciandro--who seems to have had dreams of cornering the market on Morri$on Memorie$ back in the 70s or 80s or whenever it was that Frank was living in Italy and got to know this loon--apparently told him that only he, Frank, knew Jim well to write about him knowledgeably, and so Giza (as he's calling himself these days--he's had other screennames) has taken it upon himself to ride shotgun on the memories trail.

Giza's a stubborn SOB and though Salli got hold of Frank years ago and asked him to call off this self-appointed Keeper of the Flame--which Frank did and IIRC there were emails posted on this here very board to prove it--the azzhole persists (and outright LIES about the fact that Frank did tell him Salli was The Real Thing and that he should leave her alone).

It's really pretty sad. This is someone who never so much as set eyes on Jim in life, and by his own admission only talked with Frank a half-dozen times, yet here he is, insisting that Salli and I are liars and everything we post is fantasy.

I mean, how desperate do you have to be for attention to do something like this?

I don't get it. I'll never get it. I'm so very, very proud of Jim--there was a time in the mid-70s when I was afraid The Doors would be a mere footnote in rock history and Jim would be remembered solely for what he didn't do in Miami, so I can't tell you how pleased and proud I am that The Doors are now in the same league as Dylan, the Stones and the Beatles--but I will never understand what motivates people like Giza and the others like him to do what they do. If Salli and I were liars and fantasists like Kennealy and Ashcroft it would make sense, but we're not so it doesn't make any sense to me at all.

And Giza, if I should ever encounter you in person I will punch you in your big fat lying mouth--and that's not a threat, that's a promise.  

[giza]

manhime, on 07 August 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43 ..

..much funny keep dreaming   it's hilariously ridiculous .That never happened.

[mizscarlett43]

giza, on 15 August 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

..much funny keep dreaming   it's hilariously ridiculous .That never happened.

Poor Giza--the Energizer Bunny of Morrison nutballs. He apparently knew Frank Lisciandro for about five minutes when Frank was living in Italy in the 80s? 90?s and apparently greedy Frank* told him that only he (Frank) was qualified to write about Jim, so the fool has been harassing me ever since.

I fantasize about kicking him (and Frank, about whom I once thought very highly)  in his teensy little nuts, but that's mostly because my swamp cooler is on the fritz so I haven't had a decent night's sleep in at least six weeks now and I'm very, VERY cranky.

Anyway, if you're interested go back and read this thread from the beginning to get a clearer picture of the subject.



*I once thought very highly of Frank and believed poor Danny was a lying sleaze.  I know better now.

[giza]

mizscarlett43, on 15 August 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

And Giza, if I should ever encounter you in person I will punch you in your big fat lying mouth--and that's not a threat, that's a promise.  

ahha you make me laugh hilariously ridiculous  

go here to get a clearer picture of the subject.
http://www.thedoors....opic=21356&st=0

manhime, on 07 August 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I am really interested in members here who known Jim Morrison.  Friends of Jim. People who knew his personality first hand. Such as   mizscarlett43 ..

..much funny keep dreaming   it's hilariously ridiculous hilariously ridiculous .That never happened.


read lisciandro quotes i showed you that you learn something
i see you black by envy..these are public interviews

j. morrison&the doors lyrics
davide sapienza
montecito california, aprile 1991

you know, i'd point out clearly that sugerman didn't know morrison. he was 13 years old at the time, sometime he did little work for office but...he was 13 years old understand? and he claims to be his drink mate, his friend..do me a favor, when you come back in italy write that sugerman didn't know morrison!..

Music Connection
Steven P. Wheeler
March 1991

Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.

"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."

[manhime]

giza, on 15 August 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

ahha you make me laugh hilariously ridiculous  

go here to get a clearer picture of the subject.
http://www.thedoors....opic=21356&st=0



..much funny keep dreaming   it's hilariously ridiculous hilariously ridiculous .That never happened.


read lisciandro quotes i showed you that you learn something
i see you black by envy..these are public interviews

j. morrison&the doors lyrics
davide sapienza
montecito california, aprile 1991

you know, i'd point out clearly that sugerman didn't know morrison. he was 13 years old at the time, sometime he did little work for office but...he was 13 years old understand? and he claims to be his drink mate, his friend..do me a favor, when you come back in italy write that sugerman didn't know morrison!..

Music Connection
Steven P. Wheeler
March 1991

Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.

"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."

HEY GUYS!  THANKS FOR HIJACKING MY THREAD!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PISSING CONTEST.   I had a nice thread about what if Jim Morrison could of been saved, would he of listened.

Now we get into.  Who knew who and where and why.  

STOP IT! pls

If you have a problem with each other.  Take it to pms or start your own thread.  Maybe call it "attack on Jim's friends."

Please show some respect for me and my thread.  I have done nothing to any of you.

Edited by manhime, 15 August 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[mizscarlett43]

manhime, on 15 August 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

HEY GUYS!  THANKS FOR HIJACKING MY THREAD!

THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PISSING CONTEST.   I had a nice thread about what if Jim Morrison could of been saved, would he of listened.

Now we get into.  Who knew who and where and why.  

STOP IT! pls

If you have a problem with each other.  Take it to pms or start your own thread.  Maybe call it "attack on Jim's friends."

Please show some respect for me and my thread.  I have done nothing to any of you.

Well excuuuuuse me for acting as the Grammar Police, but it's not ''what if Jim Morrison could OF been saved"  but "what if Jim Morrison could HAVE been saved." and I've already answered your question.

Kindly pay attention, and don't presume to correct your betters.

********

On edit: IMHO Robert (Just Another Dark Witness) said it best:

I've lived enough life to know you can't save people from themselves.

That's it. That's all that needs to be said on the topic.  

Edited by mizscarlett43, 15 August 2012 - 06:30 PM.