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[tombstoneroad]

Yes, I've seen your pics!! They are great shots! Nice that you saw them that many times. Certainly I wish Jim had stuck around to tour and record more albums (and just to appreciate the many years ahead) but it does make me crazy that the Doors seem so determined to erase that part of their history.  You're right, the CD transfers that exist of OV & FC sound pretty good.

[DonnyM]

icewood, on 16 June 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

Please, please, please consider giving Stockholm a suitable, meticulously restored treatment; this is one of the Doors' archival masterpieces and is one of the best mid-period documents of their power and cohesion in concert.

No millionth-time-heard repetitious medley, no so-so blues run-throughs (sure there are weak spots, like Wild Child); all in all, a worthy candidate for pristine restoration.  Am I insane to think that there is even material here so good that some brave non-online radio station might dare put a live Doors song back into rotation, e.g. Love Me Two Times?  Great performances here, and enormous potential for sales and airtime, if properly remastered.

Thanks for letting me dream

Agree on Stockholm - it is a great concert - I recently listened to a master clone of the concert and IMO the sound quality is comparable to many of the Absolutely Live concerts (whether it is 2-track or not, I'm not sure).  Imagine what Mr. Botnick and company could do with it and the SACD treatment - spectacular would be the word.

I think the release would be very popular with fans and radio stations worldwide.

In one of the pics from Stockholm (the one in the link below with Jim leaping high in the air), you can see a mic stand with a condenser mic (or similar) set up in front of one of the tower speakers, with the mic connected to (likely) recording equipment on top of the speaker.  I don't know if that makes it a soundboard recording or not, but it sounds great....nice job by the Stockholm Sveriges Radio crew!

London???  Does Granada TV still have the master tapes or not?  If someone does have the Granada master tapes, then the recording could be mastered and speed-corrected for a release.  Someday, perhaps.

Thanks to Jeff and The Doors for keeping the releases coming.

Have a great summer everyone...  

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[Six Bachelors]

tombstoneroad, on 17 June 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Yes, I've seen your pics!! They are great shots! Nice that you saw them that many times. Certainly I wish Jim had stuck around to tour and record more albums (and just to appreciate the many years ahead) but it does make me crazy that the Doors seem so determined to erase that part of their history.  You're right, the CD transfers that exist of OV & FC sound pretty good.

What CDs of OV and FC do you have? I have the Howling Wolf Records disc with both of them, plus single mixes. Unfortunately there is some weirdness going on. Some of the tracks sound like they have been digitally stretched/squashed to fit timing. I know that sounds silly but it's almost as if they turntable was off-speed and they've corrected speed issues with some not-very-good software.

Anyone with this version of the release have this issue?

I know it's a whole other topic that is raised but there is some good post-Morrison stuff by The Doors as a group and separately that I'm just discovering. I love Ray's first two albums.

[The Royal Sperm]

Six Bachelors, on 18 June 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

What CDs of OV and FC do you have? I have the Howling Wolf Records disc with both of them, plus single mixes. Unfortunately there is some weirdness going on. Some of the tracks sound like they have been digitally stretched/squashed to fit timing. I know that sounds silly but it's almost as if they turntable was off-speed and they've corrected speed issues with some not-very-good software.

Anyone with this version of the release have this issue?

I know it's a whole other topic that is raised but there is some good post-Morrison stuff by The Doors as a group and separately that I'm just discovering. I love Ray's first two albums.

for FC and OV you should try the official digital releases (amazon or itunes)

and for Ray's material loot at Lemon Records

[tombstoneroad]

Other than a few Lp copies of each, i have a russian cd copy.

[Six Bachelors]

The Royal Sperm, on 18 June 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

for FC and OV you should try the official digital releases (amazon or itunes)

and for Ray's material loot at Lemon Records

Yep, I've got the Lemon Records releases of the first two Ray LPs.

As for FC and OV, is it possible to get it in a lossless download? I suppose the new versions are masters from LP copies but I'd be keen if I can get them in FLAC or WAV. If they're lossy only, I'm not interested.

[The Royal Sperm]

Six Bachelors, on 20 June 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Yep, I've got the Lemon Records releases of the first two Ray LPs.

As for FC and OV, is it possible to get it in a lossless download? I suppose the new versions are masters from LP copies but I'd be keen if I can get them in FLAC or WAV. If they're lossy only, I'm not interested.

well, itunes and amazon have them lossy, but you cand find some vinyl rips on the web

[Encuentro]

I don't get the whole lossy/lossless debate. If you play a lossy version and a lossless version back to back, do you actually hear a difference? If so, what would that difference be?

[The Royal Sperm]

Encuentro, on 20 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I don't get the whole lossy/lossless debate. If you play a lossy version and a lossless version back to back, do you actually hear a difference? If so, what would that difference be?

Quality, is like to compare the Bluray release of the Hollywood Bowl versus the 1987 VHS release

[Six Bachelors]

Encuentro, on 20 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

I don't get the whole lossy/lossless debate. If you play a lossy version and a lossless version back to back, do you actually hear a difference? If so, what would that difference be?

With respect, I don't think it's a debate. Lossy is necessarily inferior to lossless. That's not to say lossless sounds good all the time - well-mastered music compressed to a lossy format will arguably sound better than badly-mastered music that is lossless. However, well-mastered music that is lossless will invariably $hit all over the same music compressed to a lossy format. Everything sounds wrong - the drums, and particularly the symbols, go to mush, and nothing sounds even close to being natural. I'd suggest that to get true reproductions of music, it needs to be mastered in hi-res but Steve Hoffman's masterings seem to be an exception.

Of course, if you don't hear a difference then there's no problem at all. Whatever sounds good to you is what you'll enjoy listening to. I just happen to find any music in lossy format to be drastically compromised.

[Encuentro]

Six Bachelors, on 23 June 2012 - 05:05 AM, said:

With respect, I don't think it's a debate. Lossy is necessarily inferior to lossless. That's not to say lossless sounds good all the time - well-mastered music compressed to a lossy format will arguably sound better than badly-mastered music that is lossless. However, well-mastered music that is lossless will invariably $hit all over the same music compressed to a lossy format. Everything sounds wrong - the drums, and particularly the symbols, go to mush, and nothing sounds even close to being natural. I'd suggest that to get true reproductions of music, it needs to be mastered in hi-res but Steve Hoffman's masterings seem to be an exception.

Of course, if you don't hear a difference then there's no problem at all. Whatever sounds good to you is what you'll enjoy listening to. I just happen to find any music in lossy format to be drastically compromised.

Thanks. I prefer vinyl nowadays myself. Unfortunately, it tends to be expensive. I just ordered the vinyl version of the Felt Forum 1st show.

[Six Bachelors]

Encuentro, on 24 June 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

Thanks. I prefer vinyl nowadays myself. Unfortunately, it tends to be expensive. I just ordered the vinyl version of the Felt Forum 1st show.

I just realised I wrote "symbols" instead of "cymbals"...urgh.

Anyway, if you're a vinyl fan then you're a step ahead of the rest of us. Those mp3s will sound appalling compared with your LPs.

I'm starting to build a vinyl collection and recently got an RP3 turntable. On a trip to California last year I bought the Felt Forum double LP at Amoeba in Haight-Ashbury. It's a really nice set. I can see why they didn't, but it would have been lovely to have the full set of shows on vinyl. I'm now kicking myself for not getting the Absolutely Live reissue.

[Encuentro]

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't catch the mistake.

If you're still interested, Absolutely Live on 180-gram vinyl is available on Amazon.

A few months ago, I got myself a new Audio-Technica turntable and speakers. The sound is awesome. For awhile, I had to use a piece of garbage novelty record player with built-in speakers that I picked up at Target. The sound is absolutely awful.

I'm building up a nice collection as well. I have The Doors vinyl box set that they released a few years ago and some older Doors vinyl including Absolutely Live, the Light My Fire and Touch Me singles, An American Prayer, 13 and Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine. I have some Beatles, Pearl Jam, Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy and a Mamas and Papas compilation. It's a relatively small collection compared to some, but it's growing. It's cool that many bands and artists are releasing or re-releasing their albums on vinyl. Vinyl is wonderful not just for it's amazing sound but for the cover art as well. That's obviously something you're not going to get with an mp3 release.

I agree that it would have been nice to have all 4 shows on vinyl, but that would been a lot of vinyl considering that the 1st show, 2 records, is a shorter show than the 2 late shows. I believe it's also shorter than the 18th early show.

Edited by Encuentro, 25 June 2012 - 03:58 AM.

[Just Another Dark Witness]

Oh man, I TOTALLY remember the 1968 thru 1970 period of record collecting. New albums cost about $2.99, up to around $3.50. You never had to pay more than that, unless you shopped at Wallich's Music City in Hollywood, where you had to pay list price, which was around $4.49 or something. I still have a few price stickers from my original Doors albums. Like $2.99 for L.A. Woman.... good memories.... Loved vinyl then. Love cd's now.

[sudnshok]

Any chance these HD multi-channel SACDs will be released on Blu-Ray as well? I'd love to buy them, but I only have a Blu-Ray player (no SACD), like most people.

[The Royal Sperm]

sudnshok, on 06 September 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

Any chance these HD multi-channel SACDs will be released on Blu-Ray as well? I'd love to buy them, but I only have a Blu-Ray player (no SACD), like most people.

there are DVD Audio releases of them

[sudnshok]

The Royal Sperm, on 06 September 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

there are DVD Audio releases of them

These are out already? If so, do you know where I can buy them? I looked in the store on this site and didn't see them, nor do I see them on Amazon. Thanks.

[The Royal Sperm]

sudnshok, on 07 September 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

These are out already? If so, do you know where I can buy them? I looked in the store on this site and didn't see them, nor do I see them on Amazon. Thanks.

yep, they are on the Box Set "Perception", i saw a few on ebay

[secrethostofthetownship]

sudnshok, on 06 September 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

Any chance these HD multi-channel SACDs will be released on Blu-Ray as well? I'd love to buy them, but I only have a Blu-Ray player (no SACD), like most people.

I had asked Jeff a similiar question in regards to the albums getting a blu-ray release of sorts.This was in and around the time i picked up the Neil Young Vol. 1 blu-ray box set.Just because of the amount of storage space (NY had all kinds of extras within the blu-rays like newspaper reviews of concert and also if your BD player can hook up to the "net" you could download bonus songs and live video performances).The Young box set was loooong in the development stages,but really paid off and gave alot to the NY fans.Granted,the set was not cheap.

Anyway,i recall Jeff responding w/ a pretty good chance that The Doors' albums will see a blu-ray release.And hopefully w/ a whole bunch of goodness.Newpaper clipping,magazine articles,exclusive over the "net" material.Just a big o' Doors Music/Video/Text Encyclopedia.

If these Vinyl and SACD sets sell well,we may just see The Doors put out their own version in the BD format.But a much BETTER VESION w/ all sorts of extras.

[The Royal Sperm]

secrethostofthetownship, on 07 September 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

If these Vinyl and SACD sets sell well,we may just see The Doors put out their own version in the BD format.But a much BETTER VESION w/ all sorts of extras.

in first place, they are licensed items, so no directly by the doors, and ins 2nd place they are an expensive set, even the box for the cds or the lps are expensives, i mean $100 per an empty box?