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[Defiance]

I can't think this is true since Astbury was never in The Doors, he was in a cover band headed by Ray and Robby. Ian seems to refer to Ray and Robby as 'The Doors' while forgetting about Densmore... and forgetting about Morrison it seems.

He must be on bath salts to think that he was put in control of The Doors, as he refers to below. All he did was sing with Ray and Robby. The writer refers to him as The Doors' singer also, so he must be on bath salts as well.

Doors spent 13 years vetting Astbury

May 28 2012

Waiting game: Ian Astbury

The Cult singer Ian Astbury says it was worth the thirteen-year wait to cover Jim Morrison’s position in the Doors.

He thinks if he’d been much younger he wouldn’t have been able to do the job well – and he’s grateful for the musical education he received from the band.

Astbury first appeared with original members Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger in 2002 and performed over 150 shows with them. For legal reasons the outfit has been variously known as The Doors of the 21st Century, D21C and Manzarek-Krieger.

The Cult frontman tells U-T San Diego: “They waited thirty years and the courtship was quite a long while. I was introduced to Ray, Robby and John Densmore when the Doors movie was being made in 1990.

“I was invited to a party in the Hollywood Hills. Michael Talbot, this famous metaphysical writer, was there. Timothy Leary and his partner was there. This Russian woman who was supposed to be a spiritualist was there. They were the only other people there – it was like I was being vetted in some way.

“Twelve or thirteen years later I got the gig.”

Astbury discovered the Doors as a young man, once describing his first hearing of The End as a “religious experience.” He’d glad he was in his forties by the time he was given the chance to perform with them.

“It was like a kid getting to fly a jet fighter,” he says. “All of a sudden, here I am at the helm of this incredible machine. It was terrifying and exhilarating all at the same time.

“After thirty shows with Ray and Robby, they never said anything – they just gave gestures. If Ray looked up at you, you knew you did something wrong. It he was nodding his head you were doing something right. It was one of the most incredible educations I’ve ever had.

“I was in my early forties and I’d done some growing. If I had joined the Doors in my twenties my head would have taken over and you probably couldn’t have kept me still.”

http://www.classicro...etting-astbury/

Edited by Defiance, 01 June 2012 - 08:48 PM.

[Snowdrop]

Yeah, there's something strange when he claims there was courtship & waiting for 13 years. Think on some levels he's overexaggerating. lol@bathsalt

[Just Another Dark Witness]

After I smoked some bath salts the other day, I ate my mom's face off.

[GG Morrison]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 02 June 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

After I smoked some bath salts the other day, I ate my mom's face off.

I had pie.  

[GG Morrison]

So is he a Jim-itator when with Robby and Ray, or is he just himself, singing the songs?

[Defiance]

Snowdrop, on 02 June 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Yeah, there's something strange when he claims there was courtship & waiting for 13 years. Think on some levels he's overexaggerating. lol@bathsalt

It is not exageration, Ray really did treat the whole 'search for a singer' as some kind of epic quest which started A. Before Jim died, or B. After Jim died. He had big plans.

The only discrepancy with Ian's story seems to be who courting him (i.e. The Doors vs Ray Manzarek). Ray simply did not have the decision power to select a singer for The Doors, but he did have the authority to look for a singer for his Doors cover band, Ray didn't distinguish between the two.

Ian is at fault though for thinking that Ray could select the singer for the actual Doors band... if there even was to be one.

The important thing to realize is that in Ray's mind, he and Robby and whatever new singer of the month they have......are The Doors even though they can't say it in print or from stage.

In interviews, Ray has stated this.

Edited by Defiance, 04 June 2012 - 12:38 AM.

[Snowdrop]

Defiance, on 04 June 2012 - 12:37 AM, said:

It is not exageration, Ray really did treat the whole 'search for a singer' as some kind of epic quest which started A. Before Jim died, or B. After Jim died. He had big plans.

The only discrepancy with Ian's story seems to be who courting him (i.e. The Doors vs Ray Manzarek). Ray simply did not have the decision power to select a singer for The Doors, but he did have the authority to look for a singer for his Doors cover band, Ray didn't distinguish between the two.

Ian is at fault though for thinking that Ray could select the singer for the actual Doors band... if there even was to be one.

The important thing to realize is that in Ray's mind, he and Robby and whatever new singer of the month they have......are The Doors even though they can't say it in print or from stage.

In interviews, Ray has stated this.

Thanks for the information. Guess I did not think of it, only because I rather not think of it as The Doors and it's not, it's individual members of The Doors. Obviously Ray can or or else approach would have been naturally another. Sad to think plans were somehow felt in the air 13 years ago, "an epic quest".  Makes me think, how Ray once upon a time had a plan with Jim in mind too.

[crazyhorse80]

Yeah, I've long suspected some of the people posting here were under the influence of bath salts, including on this topic. But if if anyone is dumb enough to think Ray, Robby, and even John for that matter, sat around "vetting" for thirteen years whether or not Ian Astbury was the right guy to sing with The Doors is as dumb as Astbury himself, if that article states what actually happened and what he actually believes it, cause I really don't think Ray and Robby sat around for thirteen years day and night wondering if Astbury was the "perfect" guy to fill-in for Jim. Just assuming, if the remaining Doors had their choice--as Astbury states he was vetted around the time of the release of The Doors movie--the remaining Doors probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder to fill-in, as that's who they picked for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, but at the time was peaking with Pearl Jam and most likely would not abort his own band to "play a part." And I can only guess, but after Vedder, the surviving Doors would probably have tried to recruit Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, or someone along those lines, but, like Vedder, around the time they actually started "getting the band back together," all of those people were actually still involved in their own projects, or dead, and Astbury was the only one washed-up on a dead-end street, so yeah, they probably thought he was the best option at the time. To get anyone that mattered at the time to fill-in for Jim would have been like asking Jim in 1968 to quit The Doors and fill in for Buddy Holly in an original Crickets tour. Pretty obvious...

And also, I really enjoyed listening to that Led Zeppelin cover band that played at Live Aid in 1985 as well as the recent O2 concert with Jason Bonham on drums, as well as this Allman Brothers cover band I saw with Gregg Allman, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, and some some other dudes last year, as well as this Grateful Dead cover band a few years back called The Dead with some guys named Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman, and oh yeah, also, this other cover band called The Rolling Stones two years ago that covered Rolling Stones songs with some guys named Mick, Keith and Charlie, but nobody named Brian or Bill, and, jeez, this band in 1994 called Pink Floyd that covered Pink Floyd songs that a few people in the crowd mentioned there was nobody in the cover band named Roger or Syd, but for some reason, pretty much everybody thought they were listening to those actual bands--weird...

[Snowdrop]

Maybe Ian experiemced as vetting but would not surprise me, if Ray was playing with the idea much earlier. If one looks back in time, on his role in the band and his take on Jim, all those years even before The Doors. Can imagine if there's anyone in the band then it's Ray feeling, especially when attention on the band picked up during the 90's, that he would want to be on stage again playing the songs with a new singer, doing The Doors all over again. All then comes down to, waiting for the time. Really.

Edit: Why would you want to compare The Doors with those two bands who are missing members and still come off as believeable? Jim Morrison was not Syd nor Brian, those bands always had initially vocals besides Brian or Syd (Mick or Roger). Why do you think Jim is put beside musicians/singers like Janis or Jimi? There's more to it than just the number 27.

Edited by Snowdrop, 05 June 2012 - 12:39 AM.

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 04 June 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Yeah, I've long suspected some of the people posting here were under the influence of bath salts, including on this topic. But if if anyone is dumb enough to think Ray, Robby, and even John for that matter, sat around "vetting" for thirteen years whether or not Ian Astbury was the right guy to sing with The Doors is as dumb as Astbury himself, if that article states what actually happened and what he actually believes it, cause I really don't think Ray and Robby sat around for thirteen years day and night wondering if Astbury was the "perfect" guy to fill-in for Jim. Just assuming, if the remaining Doors had their choice--as Astbury states he was vetted around the time of the release of The Doors movie--the remaining Doors probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder to fill-in, as that's who they picked for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, but at the time was peaking with Pearl Jam and most likely would not abort his own band to "play a part." And I can only guess, but after Vedder, the surviving Doors would probably have tried to recruit Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, or someone along those lines, but, like Vedder, around the time they actually started "getting the band back together," all of those people were actually still involved in their own projects, or dead, and Astbury was the only one washed-up on a dead-end street, so yeah, they probably thought he was the best option at the time. To get anyone that mattered at the time to fill-in for Jim would have been like asking Jim in 1968 to quit The Doors and fill in for Buddy Holly in an original Crickets tour. Pretty obvious...

And also, I really enjoyed listening to that Led Zeppelin cover band that played at Live Aid in 1985 as well as the recent O2 concert with Jason Bonham on drums, as well as this Allman Brothers cover band I saw with Gregg Allman, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, and some some other dudes last year, as well as this Grateful Dead cover band a few years back called The Dead with some guys named Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman, and oh yeah, also, this other cover band called The Rolling Stones two years ago that covered Rolling Stones songs with some guys named Mick, Keith and Charlie, but nobody named Brian or Bill, and, jeez, this band in 1994 called Pink Floyd that covered Pink Floyd songs that a few people in the crowd mentioned there was nobody in the cover band named Roger or Syd, but for some reason, pretty much everybody thought they were listening to those actual bands--weird...

I now have no choice but to negate what you have said since it is all untrue.

1. Sarcastic remarks about Doors board members using drugs is not cool.
2. Why call readers dumb? The ones at fault for this article are the writer and Ian.
3. You have incorrectly equated vetting with 'wondering'. Vetting and wondering are two different things, unless of course you selected Sarah Palin for the VP slot. Vetting is active, wondering is inactive. He just wasn't the right guy and Densmore knew it.

4. Eddie Vedder is not top vocal talent. He filled in once for dumb RnR HOF BS.

What does Pearl Jam have to do with anything related to The Doors? Who cares what Vedder aborts as long as it is not a baby?

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the remaining Doors probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder to fill-in, as that's who they picked for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony

Poor logic. He never had a shot with The Doors. The Doors would be better with no one than with Vedder. Truth hurts.

The Doors 'probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder'? What do you base this probability on? They needed someone to go up and sing Light My Fire.... it wasn't exactly a concert for the Pope. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is Bull Crap. The Moody Blues aren't even allowed in it. Vedder even messed up the words when he got on stage with The Doors. He does not have what it takes to ever make an impact in Modern Rock.

It is igrorant to compare The Doors from 1968 to Pearl Jam. Jim quiting The Doors in 1968 would have changed music. If Vedder stopped making music with Pearl Jam, no one would notice. The only reason we know his name today is because Kurt died and the attention went to Vedder afterwards.

5. The last time The Doors played was at the VH1 Storytellers circa 2000. Ray later made a rude and uncalled for comment about Weiland not being 'sober enough' to sing with The Doors. Ray was only going by gossip as Scott was obviously sober at the VH1 reunion concert that was filmed for TV.

6. No one else is along the lines of Layne Staley.
7. The Doors didn't need one of these Rock and Roll posers as you somehow imply they do. Why no Black suggestions?

6. Duane Allman died in a motorcycle accident, his brother continued the band as a tribute. Don't shit on what they have.
7. The Dead ended in 1995 with Jerry Garica. Associating the band with Democrats, as has been done by surviving members in this new era, is cheap.

8. The Rolling Stones have always been controlled by Mick and Keith. What is your point? They made the decisions on who to replace.
Brian Jones had already been fired by the time he died.

9. Are you referring to Pink Floyd touring with David Gilmour and without Waters? Waters was not given a voice as he should have been. There was a major problem there and the Rock community failed.

If you are referring to Syd, the band moved on and replaced a member. It happens in Rock. You are acting like you are surprised at the behavior of Rock stars. People in Rock bands are not musicians, therefore they don't act classy like musicians do.

10. Densmore needs to be present in order for it to be The Doors. All of those other bands are still the band (save for Pink Floyd circa 1994, and The Dead post 1995) even though they don't have all original members. You have no argument.

11. Dude.... if Pink Floyd played Pink Floyd songs in a concert setting, then they have not 'covered' anyone's songs.... they merely have played their own songs. The band, circa 1994, was not Pink Floyd at heart since Waters was gone, but the band did tour under that name so technically they were Pink Floyd for a time. Regardless of the name, Gilmour and other original members weren't covering anything.

Same with the Stones... Mick can't cover a Stones song since Stones songs are already his. One can not cover oneself.

Led Zep had a right to go on without John Bonham, but it wasn't the right thing to do, as evidenced by the lack of magic with a new drummer.  Again though, you have no argument. There wasn't a band member in Zep who objected to the reunion.

In The Doors however, Densmore is alive and he is objecting to his band being ruined by Ray and Robby turning it into an oldies act.

Brian Jones isn't around to object. Stones bassist Bill Wyman just gave up instead of fighting for nothing. Mick and Keith wanted to go in the direction that they wanted to go in. I would say that it is the wrong way.

Jason Bonham has no relevance here... neither does Wyman, or Jones, or Syd. Roger Waters, out of every one of the examples, is really the only one that an argument can be based around that a ban

12. You use a curious term for singers, 'anyone that mattered'. Please tell us who mattered during that time period... and to whom they mattered.

I have something to share with you... Only God matters.

Fans don't matter. Jim knew it. Jim cared that they were safe during the concert, but he didn't care if they liked his singing or not. Jim only sang for himself.

Regardless, a singer in a Doors reunion would not 'fill in for Jim' as you state. A singer just sings. Jim was a Blues singer. The Doors are a Blues band. You don't think about filling in for someone when you sing, you just communicate with God when you sing.

Edit: To clarify, Ray and Robby have a Doors cover band, but Ray and Robby don't cover Doors songs since those two guys created the songs. The rule is that one can not cover oneself. The singer in the Ray and Robby's Doors cover band would indeed be covering Doors songs since the songs are not his.

Original members don't cover the songs even though the actual band may be a cover band.

As a twist, if someone like John Fogerty plays CCR songs with his new back up band (no original CCR members), the songs are therefore not cover songs, but the back up band is indeed covering CCR.

Edited by Defiance, 05 June 2012 - 06:44 AM.

[crazyhorse80]

Defiance, on 05 June 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

I now have no choice but to negate what you have said since it is all untrue.

1. Sarcastic remarks about Doors board members using drugs is not cool.
2. Why call readers dumb? The ones at fault for this article are the writer and Ian.
3. You have incorrectly equated vetting with 'wondering'. Vetting and wondering are two different things, unless of course you selected Sarah Palin for the VP slot. Vetting is active, wondering is inactive. He just wasn't the right guy and Densmore knew it.

4. Eddie Vedder is not top vocal talent. He filled in once for dumb RnR HOF BS.

What does Pearl Jam have to do with anything related to The Doors? Who cares what Vedder aborts as long as it is not a baby?



Poor logic. He never had a shot with The Doors. The Doors would be better with no one than with Vedder. Truth hurts.

The Doors 'probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder'? What do you base this probability on? They needed someone to go up and sing Light My Fire.... it wasn't exactly a concert for the Pope. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is Bull Crap. The Moody Blues aren't even allowed in it. Vedder even messed up the words when he got on stage with The Doors. He does not have what it takes to ever make an impact in Modern Rock.

It is igrorant to compare The Doors from 1968 to Pearl Jam. Jim quiting The Doors in 1968 would have changed music. If Vedder stopped making music with Pearl Jam, no one would notice. The only reason we know his name today is because Kurt died and the attention went to Vedder afterwards.

5. The last time The Doors played was at the VH1 Storytellers circa 2000. Ray later made a rude and uncalled for comment about Weiland not being 'sober enough' to sing with The Doors. Ray was only going by gossip as Scott was obviously sober at the VH1 reunion concert that was filmed for TV.

6. No one else is along the lines of Layne Staley.
7. The Doors didn't need one of these Rock and Roll posers as you somehow imply they do. Why no Black suggestions?

6. Duane Allman died in a motorcycle accident, his brother continued the band as a tribute. Don't shit on what they have.
7. The Dead ended in 1995 with Jerry Garica. Associating the band with Democrats, as has been done by surviving members in this new era, is cheap.

8. The Rolling Stones have always been controlled by Mick and Keith. What is your point? They made the decisions on who to replace.
Brian Jones had already been fired by the time he died.

9. Are you referring to Pink Floyd touring with David Gilmour and without Waters? Waters was not given a voice as he should have been. There was a major problem there and the Rock community failed.

If you are referring to Syd, the band moved on and replaced a member. It happens in Rock. You are acting like you are surprised at the behavior of Rock stars. People in Rock bands are not musicians, therefore they don't act classy like musicians do.

10. Densmore needs to be present in order for it to be The Doors. All of those other bands are still the band (save for Pink Floyd circa 1994, and The Dead post 1995) even though they don't have all original members. You have no argument.

11. Dude.... if Pink Floyd played Pink Floyd songs in a concert setting, then they have not 'covered' anyone's songs.... they merely have played their own songs. The band, circa 1994, was not Pink Floyd at heart since Waters was gone, but the band did tour under that name so technically they were Pink Floyd for a time. Regardless of the name, Gilmour and other original members weren't covering anything.

Same with the Stones... Mick can't cover a Stones song since Stones songs are already his. One can not cover oneself.

Led Zep had a right to go on without John Bonham, but it wasn't the right thing to do, as evidenced by the lack of magic with a new drummer.  Again though, you have no argument. There wasn't a band member in Zep who objected to the reunion.

In The Doors however, Densmore is alive and he is objecting to his band being ruined by Ray and Robby turning it into an oldies act.

Brian Jones isn't around to object. Stones bassist Bill Wyman just gave up instead of fighting for nothing. Mick and Keith wanted to go in the direction that they wanted to go in. I would say that it is the wrong way.

Jason Bonham has no relevance here... neither does Wyman, or Jones, or Syd. Roger Waters, out of every one of the examples, is really the only one that an argument can be based around that a ban

12. You use a curious term for singers, 'anyone that mattered'. Please tell us who mattered during that time period... and to whom they mattered.

I have something to share with you... Only God matters.

Fans don't matter. Jim knew it. Jim cared that they were safe during the concert, but he didn't care if they liked his singing or not. Jim only sang for himself.

Regardless, a singer in a Doors reunion would not 'fill in for Jim' as you state. A singer just sings. Jim was a Blues singer. The Doors are a Blues band. You don't think about filling in for someone when you sing, you just communicate with God when you sing.

Edit: To clarify, Ray and Robby have a Doors cover band, but Ray and Robby don't cover Doors songs since those two guys created the songs. The rule is that one can not cover oneself. The singer in the Ray and Robby's Doors cover band would indeed be covering Doors songs since the songs are not his.

Original members don't cover the songs even though the actual band may be a cover band.

As a twist, if someone like John Fogerty plays CCR songs with his new back up band (no original CCR members), the songs are therefore not cover songs, but the back up band is indeed covering CCR.

Yeah, pretty much the only reason I respond to any of your bath salt-esque ramblings is to read your responses for my own personal amusement and so I can share them with my colleagues around the office, who all get a kick out your inanity, which has actually been a running joke for a while now. But to keep it short and sweet, I believe Roger Waters filed a similar legal motion as did Densmore to prevent Gilmour from using the Pink Floyd name, and lost. With them, just like The Doors without Jim, Pink Floyd was not the same without Roger--as well as Syd--but they were still Pink Floyd. Hell, Roger wrote pretty much all of "Darkside,", "Wish You Were Here," "Animals" and "The Wall." Brian Jones was a founder of The Rolling Stones, and without him, they were not the same, but they were still The Rolling Stones. The Grateful Dead had the decency to not call life after Jerry GD, but rather just The Dead, which is what The Doors did by calling themselves "Doors of the 21st Century," which is all John wanted, I'm pretty sure the audience was aware that Jim is dead and knew they were not seeing the original band, but it was still The Doors, just like it was after Jim died and Ray, Robby and John released two albums afterward and toured as The Doors. John Bonham, in my opinion, was the heart and soul of Led Zeppelin, just like Jim was to The Doors, but they still performed without him and it was still Led Zeppelin, just not the same. The Doors, aside from The Soft Parade album credited all of the songs to "The Doors," and Robby wrote a substantial amount of their songs, so to to call them a cover band is just absurd, which to give you credit for anything, you are consistent in absurdity. And I was not comparing Pearl Jam or any of the bands I mentioned that their lead singer might have been considered for a revamped Doors. Nobody can replace Jim, but Ray, Robby and John decided on Eddie Vedder for the Hall of Fame performance, and who cares of he forgot words, Jim did too during live performances. So do not put words in my mouth like you do with yourself and every other member here to fit your credo. And with picking Vedder for the HOF performance would make me think they would have wanted him to fill-in for Jim around the time of Stone movie if they were going to tour then. And during the process of vetting, comes wonderment, genius, and my point was I highly doubt Ray and Robby really stalked Astbury for 13 years deciding if he was the right guy to fill-in for Jim. The other people I mentioned would have "connected" The Doors to the current generation moreseo than Astbury, and obviosuly, the band wanted someone with notoriety to fill-in for Jim, or they would have vetted unknowns and picked someone else. I think your insulting The Doors' "audience" and I believe Ray even said before the reason he wanted to "get the band back together" was to keep Jim's words alive, and the music, you know, kind of like you said Gregg Allman did with the Allman Brothers Band. The Allman Brothers could never, ever, be the same without Duane, just like The Doors without Jim, but Duane and Jim are dead, so luckily their musical brothers, real or in kindredness, keep their soul alive. It is what it is, kind of like Zeppelin without Bonham, it's not the same, but it's still The Doors...

[Snowdrop]

Ah, the office mentality and I bet majority at the office are men too. Been both in health care & education, never once have I come across that kind of mentality at the workplace.  

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 05 June 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Yeah, pretty much the only reason I respond to any of your bath salt-esque ramblings is to read your responses for my own personal amusement and so I can share them with my colleagues around the office, who all get a kick out your inanity, which has actually been a running joke for a while now. But to keep it short and sweet, I believe Roger Waters filed a similar legal motion as did Densmore to prevent Gilmour from using the Pink Floyd name, and lost. With them, just like The Doors without Jim, Pink Floyd was not the same without Roger--as well as Syd--but they were still Pink Floyd. Hell, Roger wrote pretty much all of "Darkside,", "Wish You Were Here," "Animals" and "The Wall." Brian Jones was a founder of The Rolling Stones, and without him, they were not the same, but they were still The Rolling Stones. The Grateful Dead had the decency to not call life after Jerry GD, but rather just The Dead, which is what The Doors did by calling themselves "Doors of the 21st Century," which is all John wanted,

No, No, No. Densmore won the lawsuit. Ray and Robby are not allowed to use 'The Doors' anywhere in their name. 'The Doors of the 21st Century' is a big no-no. Tisk tisk.

You misspeak when you say "which is what The Doors did by calling themselves "Doors of the 21st Century," since The Doors never called themselves 'The Doors of the 21st Century', only Ray and Robby called themselves that. John was never a part of 'The Doors of the 21st Century'. John always objected to their exploitation of Jim.

As I said, The Doors last played at the VH1 Storytellers concert...this is also the last time that Ray, Robby, and John played together. It was only months later that Ray and Robby wanted John to play with them as The Doors at the Harley Davidson anniversary event. John said no and that is when the legal stuff happened.

The Dead is The Grateful Dead. Are you on Ritalin? I don't care what those guys called themselves after Jerry died, but they aren't The Dead, nor are they the Grateful Dead. The Dead and/or The Grateful Dead is not in existence without Jerry Garcia. It was his band.

The Doors can exist without Morrison, but only if Densmore is present.

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I'm pretty sure the audience was aware that Jim is dead and knew they were not seeing the original band, but it was still The Doors, just like it was after Jim died and Ray, Robby and John released two albums afterward and toured as The Doors.

I don't know about that, you yourself called blog readers 'dumb' for 'believing' that The Doors courted Astbury.

Why wouldn't the audience also be dumb?

Ray, John, and Robby had/have a right to release a Doors record at anytime they like. What is your argument regarding the two post-Morrison albums?

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John Bonham, in my opinion, was the heart and soul of Led Zeppelin, just like Jim was to The Doors, but they still performed without him and it was still Led Zeppelin, just not the same. The Doors, aside from The Soft Parade album credited all of the songs to "The Doors," and Robby wrote a substantial amount of their songs, so to to call them a cover band is just absurd, which to give you credit for anything, you are consistent in absurdity. And I was not comparing Pearl Jam or any of the bands I mentioned that their lead singer might have been considered for a revamped Doors. Nobody can replace Jim, but Ray, Robby and John decided on Eddie Vedder for the Hall of Fame performance, and who cares of he forgot words, Jim did too during live performances. So do not put words in my mouth like you do with yourself and every other member here to fit your credo. And with picking Vedder for the HOF performance would make me think they would have wanted him to fill-in for Jim around the time of Stone movie if they were going to tour then.

You did compare The Doors to PJ by saying that if Vedder left PJ, it would be like Jim leaving The Doors. It is not the same thing. Jim leaving The Doors would change music. No one would notice Vedder leaving his band.

You don't understand that no one can "fill in for Jim", so please give it up. A singer just sings. The Rock n Roll HOF is crap. The Doors' decision on Eddie Vedder means nothing. They needed someone that they knew would never make the grade for a full time position in the band so it would be easy to let him down easy afterwards.

The concert was just for fun, not for quality. It didn't matter that Vedder was not that good, but I am just pointing out that he could never make it in a Blues band, which is what The Doors are.

No, they wouldn't want him for any tour. You don't use solid logic. You claim that the piece of crap Rock n Roll HOF is equal to a proposed Doors tour.  That is absurd! The Doors is what matters, not some committee at the Rock Hall voting on bands they have crushes on.

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And during the process of vetting, comes wonderment, genius, and my point was I highly doubt Ray and Robby really stalked Astbury for 13 years deciding if he was the right guy to fill-in for Jim.

Vetting goes against all that Rock stands for. Vetting is BS. I would not want The Doors to vet any possible singer, nor would I want any future Doors singer to get so-called "vocal lessons". I want The Doors just to grab some person off the street and give him or her a 30 pack of beer and then get started tracking vocals.

Again, no one can fill in for Jim in any capacity. The Doors can get a new singer, but he or she can not fill in for Jim, nor should he or she try. The reason there are no singer today is because they simply mimic Jim, but they don't sing like him. Jim is gone. Why don't you get it?

It is possible to sing like Morrison by singing Black.

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The other people I mentioned would have "connected" The Doors to the current generation moreseo than Astbury, and obviosuly, the band wanted someone with notoriety to fill-in for Jim, or they would have vetted unknowns and picked someone else. I think your insulting The Doors' "audience" and I believe Ray even said before the reason he wanted to "get the band back together" was to keep Jim's words alive, and the music, you know, kind of like you said Gregg Allman did with the Allman Brothers Band. The Allman Brothers could never, ever, be the same without Duane, just like The Doors without Jim, but Duane and Jim are dead, so luckily their musical brothers, real or in kindredness, keep their soul alive. It is what it is, kind of like Zeppelin without Bonham, it's not the same, but it's still The Doors...

What do you know of the current generation? What sport do they watch?

Name me the top 5 or 10 NBA players currently in the playoffs.

Say something that matters. You blather on and on about Led Zeppelin. Bring it back to The Doors, focus.

The Allman family gave the blessing to continue and no one objected. I never said that they were the same without Duane. You should watch what you say because if we were in real life and you spoke about Duane Allman in the rude manner you are doing now, you would be talking shit around the wrong person.

I never said The Doors would be the same, so why the need to insist such a thing? What is your point?

Ray can give whatever reasons he wants, but his Doors cover band was cheesy. Bad choice of singers. What he was doing did not represent what The Doors is.

Don't you remember the whole Sync Rights episode? Where were you when we discussed it?

Keep Jim's words alive some other way, but don't have Astbury dancing around like an Indian in order for it to be done.

Kids should be listening to Tupac anyways, they don't need to relive a "faux Doors experience". Where is the LSD? That is what I thought.

People discover Doors when the time is ready, not before.

Edited by Defiance, 06 June 2012 - 07:30 AM.

[lizard_3j]

I hate Ian!! he sucks!! he tries (a lot) to imitate JIM!! the more he tries the more i hate him!! i´ve seen THE DOORS live here in portugal twice..but i went to see RAY and ROBBY...not that s*** of ian!! why the fu** does he even moves and walks like JIM?!?! i think most of the fans "agree"... you can see the votes here!! ian -> go fu** yourself!! i love RAY´s voice!!! why doesnt he sings?!!? instead of ian????

Edited by lizard_3j, 27 November 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[Encuentro]

lizard_3j, on 27 November 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I hate Ian!! he sucks!! he tries (a lot) to imitate JIM!! the more he tries the more i hate him!! i´ve seen THE DOORS live here in portugal twice..but i went to see RAY and ROBBY...not that s*** of ian!! why the fu** does he even moves and walks like JIM?!?! i think most of the fans "agree"... you can see the votes here!! ian -> go fu** yourself!! i love RAY´s voice!!! why doesnt he sings?!!? instead of ian????

Ian has been with Ray and Robby for quite a long time. He left the band in 2007. He was replaced by Brett Scallions of Fuel. He left and was replaced by Milejenko Matijevic of Steelheart. He only lasted about 3 months. He was replaced by Dave Brock of the tribute band Wild Child, a TRUE Jim Morrison impersonator.

I'm not quite sure why you hate Ian. You didn't like his performance style. Fine. But hate? That's a bit strong, don't ya think?

[StupidGirl]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 02 June 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

After I smoked some bath salts the other day, I ate my mom's face off.

They're smoked? thought ingested...? So, more power to this man who can keep Ray & Robby on their game all the while tryin' to fill Morrison's boots....Ya know, Ray & Robby have to go on playin' till death...Just Another Dark Witness, *shut up*
I'll let you know in the future if that was a playful *shut up*

Edited by StupidGirl, 28 November 2012 - 06:56 AM.

[lizard_3j]

Encuentro, on 27 November 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Ian has been with Ray and Robby for quite a long time. He left the band in 2007. He was replaced by Brett Scallions of Fuel. He left and was replaced by Milejenko Matijevic of Steelheart. He only lasted about 3 months. He was replaced by Dave Brock of the tribute band Wild Child, a TRUE Jim Morrison impersonator.

I'm not quite sure why you hate Ian. You didn't like his performance style. Fine. But hate? That's a bit strong, don't ya think?

performence style?!?! you mean JIM´s style!! ok...maybe hate is a bit strong...but i´m portuguese and that was the word that came across my mind...maybe dislike is too soft...i simply ignored him the 2 times i saw him..i was only focused on RAY and ROBBY...why does he even walks like JIM?!?! cant he just sing and be himself instead!??!

Edited by lizard_3j, 28 November 2012 - 12:38 PM.