crazyhorse80, on 04 June 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:
Yeah, I've long suspected some of the people posting here were under the influence of bath salts, including on this topic. But if if anyone is dumb enough to think Ray, Robby, and even John for that matter, sat around "vetting" for thirteen years whether or not Ian Astbury was the right guy to sing with The Doors is as dumb as Astbury himself, if that article states what actually happened and what he actually believes it, cause I really don't think Ray and Robby sat around for thirteen years day and night wondering if Astbury was the "perfect" guy to fill-in for Jim. Just assuming, if the remaining Doors had their choice--as Astbury states he was vetted around the time of the release of The Doors movie--the remaining Doors probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder to fill-in, as that's who they picked for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, but at the time was peaking with Pearl Jam and most likely would not abort his own band to "play a part." And I can only guess, but after Vedder, the surviving Doors would probably have tried to recruit Scott Weiland, Layne Staley, or someone along those lines, but, like Vedder, around the time they actually started "getting the band back together," all of those people were actually still involved in their own projects, or dead, and Astbury was the only one washed-up on a dead-end street, so yeah, they probably thought he was the best option at the time. To get anyone that mattered at the time to fill-in for Jim would have been like asking Jim in 1968 to quit The Doors and fill in for Buddy Holly in an original Crickets tour. Pretty obvious...
And also, I really enjoyed listening to that Led Zeppelin cover band that played at Live Aid in 1985 as well as the recent O2 concert with Jason Bonham on drums, as well as this Allman Brothers cover band I saw with Gregg Allman, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, and some some other dudes last year, as well as this Grateful Dead cover band a few years back called The Dead with some guys named Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman, and oh yeah, also, this other cover band called The Rolling Stones two years ago that covered Rolling Stones songs with some guys named Mick, Keith and Charlie, but nobody named Brian or Bill, and, jeez, this band in 1994 called Pink Floyd that covered Pink Floyd songs that a few people in the crowd mentioned there was nobody in the cover band named Roger or Syd, but for some reason, pretty much everybody thought they were listening to those actual bands--weird...
I now have no choice but to negate what you have said since it is all untrue.
1. Sarcastic remarks about Doors board members using drugs is not cool.
2. Why call readers dumb? The ones at fault for this article are the writer and Ian.
3. You have incorrectly equated vetting with 'wondering'. Vetting and wondering are two different things, unless of course you selected Sarah Palin for the VP slot. Vetting is active, wondering is inactive. He just wasn't the right guy and Densmore knew it.
4. Eddie Vedder is not top vocal talent. He filled in once for dumb
RnR HOF BS.
What does Pearl Jam have to do with anything related to The Doors? Who cares what Vedder aborts as long as it is not a baby?
the remaining Doors probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder to fill-in, as that's who they picked for the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony
Poor logic. He never had a shot with The Doors. The Doors would be better with no one than with Vedder. Truth hurts.
The Doors 'probably would have wanted Eddie Vedder'?
What do you base this probability on? They needed someone to go up and sing Light My Fire.... it wasn't exactly a concert for the Pope. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is Bull Crap. The Moody Blues aren't even allowed in it. Vedder even messed up the words when he got on stage with The Doors. He does not have what it takes to ever make an impact in Modern Rock.
It is igrorant to compare The Doors from 1968 to Pearl Jam. Jim quiting The Doors in 1968 would have changed music. If Vedder stopped making music with Pearl Jam, no one would notice. The only reason we know his name today is because Kurt died and the attention went to Vedder afterwards.
5. The last time The Doors played was at the VH1 Storytellers circa 2000. Ray later made a rude and uncalled for comment about Weiland not being 'sober enough' to sing with The Doors. Ray was only going by gossip as Scott was obviously sober at the VH1 reunion concert that was filmed for TV.
6. No one else is along the lines of Layne Staley.
7. The Doors didn't need one of these Rock and Roll posers as you somehow imply they do. Why no Black suggestions?
6. Duane Allman died in a motorcycle accident, his brother continued the band as a tribute. Don't shit on what they have.
7. The Dead ended in 1995 with Jerry Garica. Associating the band with Democrats, as has been done by surviving members in this new era, is cheap.
8. The Rolling Stones have always been controlled by Mick and Keith. What is your point? They made the decisions on who to replace.
Brian Jones had already been fired by the time he died.
9. Are you referring to Pink Floyd touring with David Gilmour and without Waters? Waters was not given a voice as he should have been. There was a major problem there and the Rock community failed.
If you are referring to Syd, the band moved on and replaced a member. It happens in Rock. You are acting like you are surprised at the behavior of Rock stars. People in Rock bands are not musicians, therefore they don't act classy like musicians do.
10. Densmore needs to be present in order for it to be The Doors. All of those other bands are still the band (save for Pink Floyd circa 1994, and The Dead post 1995) even though they don't have all original members. You have no argument.
11. Dude.... if Pink Floyd played Pink Floyd songs in a concert setting, then they have not 'covered' anyone's songs.... they merely have played their own songs. The band, circa 1994, was not Pink Floyd at heart since Waters was gone, but the band did tour under that name so technically they were Pink Floyd for a time. Regardless of the name, Gilmour and other original members weren't covering anything.
Same with the Stones... Mick can't cover a Stones song since Stones songs are already his. One can not cover oneself.
Led Zep had a right to go on without John Bonham, but it wasn't the right thing to do, as evidenced by the lack of magic with a new drummer. Again though, you have no argument. There wasn't a band member in Zep who objected to the reunion.
In The Doors however, Densmore is alive and he is objecting to his band being ruined by Ray and Robby turning it into an oldies act.
Brian Jones isn't around to object. Stones bassist Bill Wyman just gave up instead of fighting for nothing. Mick and Keith wanted to go in the direction that they wanted to go in. I would say that it is the wrong way.
Jason Bonham has no relevance here... neither does Wyman, or Jones, or Syd. Roger Waters, out of every one of the examples, is really the only one that an argument can be based around that a ban
12. You use a curious term for singers, 'anyone that mattered'. Please tell us who mattered during that time period... and to whom they mattered.
I have something to share with you... Only God matters.
Fans don't matter. Jim knew it. Jim cared that they were safe during the concert, but he didn't care if they liked his singing or not. Jim only sang for himself.
Regardless, a singer in a Doors reunion would not 'fill in for Jim' as you state. A singer just sings. Jim was a Blues singer. The Doors are a Blues band. You don't think about filling in for someone when you sing, you just communicate with God when you sing.
Edit: To clarify, Ray and Robby have a Doors cover band, but Ray and Robby don't cover Doors songs since those two guys created the songs. The rule is that one can not cover oneself. The singer in the Ray and Robby's Doors cover band would indeed be covering Doors songs since the songs are not his.
Original members don't cover the songs even though the actual band may be a cover band.
As a twist, if someone like John Fogerty plays CCR songs with his new back up band (no original CCR members), the songs are therefore not cover songs, but the back up band is indeed covering CCR.
Edited by Defiance, 05 June 2012 - 06:44 AM.