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[queenhwy]

Found this article very interesting....

Enjoy

http://therarecollec...ml?spref=fb&m=1

[Shelby68]

Who was Pam Ashley whose estate is selling these items - was she a fan/collector, friend? She certainly must have had resources to amass such a valuable collection. Personal items of Jim's are exceedingly rare, yet she had writings, clothing, the Super-8 footage from Jim & Pam's Corsica trip, etc. Pretty staggering.

Slightly OT: I wonder why David Crosby & Graham Nash were among the first people invited to look at the box and its contents. Stephen Stills and Jim were friends, though Stephen to my knowledge has never spoken publicly about Jim. I don't know Jim's relationship (if any) to Graham, and Crosby has been notoriously ambivalent (hostile when Jim was alive and for many years after his death, in recent years seeming to come to an understanding and even a sort of admiration for Jim).  

Ahhh, the enduring mystery that is The Doors. A few questions are answered (what happened to the box - it was believed to be in Iran!) and yet more questions arise.

[open shirt and raised collars]

Great Story, Thanks for the post. Always sad to see jim poetry squabbled over in this manner but what an amazing box and name! 127 fascination box, Magical.

[Defiance]

I would guess that Nash would be there in order to translate what Stills was saying. Besides that, Nash is the better choice over Jagger or those guys from The Eagles.

[freedomgirl]

Shelby68, on 04 May 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Who was Pam Ashley whose estate is selling these items - was she a fan/collector, friend? She certainly must have had resources to amass such a valuable collection. Personal items of Jim's are exceedingly rare, yet she had writings, clothing, the Super-8 footage from Jim & Pam's Corsica trip, etc. Pretty staggering.

Slightly OT: I wonder why David Crosby & Graham Nash were among the first people invited to look at the box and its contents. Stephen Stills and Jim were friends, though Stephen to my knowledge has never spoken publicly about Jim. I don't know Jim's relationship (if any) to Graham, and Crosby has been notoriously ambivalent (hostile when Jim was alive and for many years after his death, in recent years seeming to come to an understanding and even a sort of admiration for Jim).  

Ahhh, the enduring mystery that is The Doors. A few questions are answered (what happened to the box - it was believed to be in Iran!) and yet more questions arise.

I believe I read somewhere that Pam Ashley was a friend of Pam.

[gene]

Cool quote from Ray, at the end of that:
``There were four musicians in the band; one of us, Jim, played words. ``

Edited by gene, 29 May 2012 - 07:40 AM.

[Defiance]

gene, on 29 May 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Cool quote from Ray, at the end of that:
``There were four musicians in the band; one of us, Jim, played words. ``

It speaks volumes.

The four members are are equal in musical knowledge, but none are true musicians in the Jazz or Classical sense. There is no 'Blues sense' since Blues people are not musicians, they are just Blue people.

The Doors counterparts from over in the Jazz world are the musicians (i.e. Elvin Jones for Densmore). The guys in Hard Bop and Be Bop who influenced each respective Door, with Jim being a tad more influenced by pre-bop Louis Armstrong and Bessie Smith. Bessie is Blues, but she is also Jazz because of the back up band she had. The voice was Blues, but the music was Jazz. That was the formula for Jazz singers if said singer did not accompany himself on guitar. They did Blues numbers in a Jazz setting until pre-WWII time when the Big Band Swing craze took over where in the Jazz star was someone like Benny Goodman who led an orchestra.

Blacks responded with Be Bop in Harlem and Kansas City with small bands who played Straight ahead Jazz where the head or melody was stated up front, then each memeber would solo. They would go 'once through the changes', then do improv. The changes were 32 bar chord progressions. AABA, or Chorus Chorus Bridge Chorus. A chorus contained the verse and chorus. Only today is there a bigger distinction between chorus and verse due to pop music requiring a strong separation between the two so that it matches the trend of the time.

Words are spoken. Regular speech has no music in it.  When sung, they are intoned speech. Ray is making Jim out to be more than a singer of Blues, which is what he basically was. If an instrumental has spoken word added to it, it is not a song.

He was no Poet.

Edited by Defiance, 29 May 2012 - 09:28 PM.

[Crimson_King]

Shelby68, on 04 May 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Who was Pam Ashley whose estate is selling these items - was she a fan/collector, friend? She certainly must have had resources to amass such a valuable collection. Personal items of Jim's are exceedingly rare, yet she had writings, clothing, the Super-8 footage from Jim & Pam's Corsica trip, etc. Pretty staggering.

where in the article is "Pam Ashley" mentioned?  I must have missed that while reading.  What we want is the Super-8mm film footage of Jim and Pam from 1971....bring it on, people. .....that's what YouTube is for guys.