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[gc1966]

Towards the end of Oliver Stone's narration of the Doors movie, in the Miami trial court scene. Stone suggests that Jim had none or little support from the Rock commuity, and that he was made more or less an outcast because of the controvercy that surrounded Morrison at the time. Is this true? Also, as Stone suggest's, in the final scene with the Doors, was he pidgeon holed and typcast by the media? and was this the catylyst for him leaving for Paris ?

[the_manassa_mauler_1919-'26]

gc1966, on 24 April 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Towards the end of Oliver Stone's narration of the Doors movie, in the Miami trial court scene. Stone suggests that Jim had none or little support from the Rock commuity, and that he was made more or less an outcast because of the controvercy that surrounded Morrison at the time. Is this true? Also, as Stone suggest's, in the final scene with the Doors, was he pidgeon holed and typcast by the media? and was this the catylyst for him leaving for Paris ?

though stone seemed to take poetic license far too many times in the film, in re to the issue of support amongst the rock community in the miami trial, I think he pegged it.

morrison was indeed left to dangle.

rollingstone mag, the supposed bastion of free rights & fighting the man in ink for the youth movement, played tabloid exploiter in the case of a one, james douglas morrison. rather then galvanize support amongst the music community or make an editoral stand & place themselves behind a clear 1st amend artistic struggle, they took the spectacle angle.

they strung up morrison as a faux western pulp outlaw to partly lampoon & make copy fodder of.

in re to the music community themselves, the reaction of distaste or indifference must of been somewhat depressing for doors supporters. many in the industry seemed to not like or not get morrison. reality was some it seemed felt threatened on some level, or also saw him as a competitive property who was too dangerous for the industry & one who undermined aggregate sales.

That position wouldve been easier to take, if not for the fact that so many of the sanctimonous stars of that era were also playing themselves up as leaders of a youth movement based around free expression & standing up against the establishment. Yet when one of their own was bound in that situation legally, they were either no where to be found or hypocritically judgemental.

morrison in the end found himself in a lonely spot, a prime scapegoat target for authoritarian forces of law and order, yet also an entity too far outside the 'club' to get any support from his own fraternity. this must of been very sobering for him especially after the judgement was laid down & he was sentenced to do real time in a very hard prison.

the trial was one of several examples of that era, that exposed the shell that was a hollow & hypocritical movement. legacy wise though being outlaws to both sides, draws a clearer line in the sand who historically was truely walking on the tight rope of freedom in the day.

Edited by the_manassa_mauler_1919-'26, 24 April 2012 - 12:30 PM.

[gc1966]

the_manassa_mauler_1919-, on 24 April 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

though stone seemed to take poetic license far too many times in the film, in re to the issue of support amongst the rock community in the miami trial, I think he pegged it.

morrison was indeed left to dangle.

rollingstone mag, the supposed bastion of free rights & fighting the man in ink for the youth movement, played tabloid exploiter in the case of a one, james douglas morrison. rather then galvanize support amongst the music community or make an editoral stand & place themselves behind a clear 1st amend artistic struggle, they took the spectacle angle.

they strung up morrison as a faux western pulp outlaw to partly lampoon & make copy fodder of.

in re to the music community themselves, the reaction of distaste or indifference must of been somewhat depressing for doors supporters. many in the industry seemed to not like or not get morrison. reality was some it seemed felt threatened on some level, or also saw him as a competitive property who was too dangerous for the industry & one who undermined aggregate sales.

That position wouldve been easier to take, if not for the fact that so many of the sanctimonous stars of that era were also playing themselves up as leaders of a youth movement based around free expression & standing up against the establishment. Yet when one of their own was bound in that situation legally, they were either no where to be found or hypocritically judgemental.

morrison in the end found himself in a lonely spot, a prime scapegoat target for authoritarian forces of law and order, yet also an entity too far outside the 'club' to get any support from his own fraternity. this must of been very sobering for him especially after the judgement was laid down & he was sentenced to do real time in a very hard prison.

the trial was one of several examples of that era, that exposed the shell that was a hollow & hypocritical movement. legacy wise though being outlaws to both sides, draws a clearer line in the sand who historically was truely walking on the tight rope of freedom in the day.

Thanks for that, I really appreciate your insight into that period of Doors history.Sounds like the term, "tall poppy syndrome" we use here in Australia, to define that very situaton you described where people want to take an individual, or small minority group down a notch.

Also in Stone's narration of the movie, he claimed that Jim had some troubles maintaining an errection or "problems with potency" as he descibes it, and claimed to have consulted doctors regarding the issues.If this was the case, considering his age, could have this been a prelude to other health issues he developed later on, more specifically his Cadiac Arrest in France ?

[GG Morrison]

gc1966, on 27 April 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Thanks for that, I really appreciate your insight into that period of Doors history.Sounds like the term, "tall poppy syndrome" we use here in Australia, to define that very situaton you described where people want to take an individual, or small minority group down a notch.

Also in Stone's narration of the movie, he claimed that Jim had some troubles maintaining an errection or "problems with potency" as he descibes it, and claimed to have consulted doctors regarding the issues.If this was the case, considering his age, could have this been a prelude to other health issues he developed later on, more specifically his Cadiac Arrest in France ?

Well, it remains inconclusive as to what caused the cardiac arrest that took his life.  He may have gone to the doctor to ascertain the likelihood that he was responsible for all the pregnancies people claimed he was.

I wonder about Jim being made an example in US courts the way he clearly was.  Was this an issue with the rock stars in the UK?  I remember the Stones and the Beatles being charged with drug possession, and that spawned tales of depravity in the Fleet Street press.  But none of them did time for anything, as far as I know.

[queenhwy]

GG Morrison, on 27 April 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Well, it remains inconclusive as to what caused the cardiac arrest that took his life.  He may have gone to the doctor to ascertain the likelihood that he was responsible for all the pregnancies people claimed he was.

I wonder about Jim being made an example in US courts the way he clearly was.  Was this an issue with the rock stars in the UK?  I remember the Stones and the Beatles being charged with drug possession, and that spawned tales of depravity in the Fleet Street press.  But none of them did time for anything, as far as I know.

Absolutely he was!  The establishment and people in charge never like people who make trouble.  All those guys
knew that the youth listened to it's rock idols and they didn't like ideas put in their head.  It might make them more knowledgeable and they don't want you to think for yourself.  I'm sure Hoover had his eye on him!

Now that's just my two cents for today!

[gc1966]

Sorry for re-booting this topic, although something Oliver Stone has suggested or implied in the narration of the Doors movie was that Jim was a Heroin user, is this true ?

[Defiance]

gc1966, on 24 May 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Sorry for re-booting this topic, although something Oliver Stone has suggested or implied in the narration of the Doors movie was that Jim was a Heroin user, is this true ?

Dude, you know this one. We have gone over it. Heroin is instantly addicting; one sniff and that is it.

Note: One sniff kills you dead too.

That is not to say that anything Stone said regarding Jim and heroin is in any way true.

Stone doesn't speak it like it is.  He doesn't shoot straight and gives BS answers.

Addict is the word. User is so Hollywood and fake.

Look at Jon Jones. Who thinks that he is real? He can fight, but he is not genuine.... and I am not even talking about the DUI.. but what is a millionaire doing drunk driving and crashing when he can hire a car service or driver? What is even more incredulous is that he can afford the best medical cannabis and use that instead of drinking. Cannabis helps athletes, but drinkning don't.

Jim died because his body ran low on cannabis for too long of a time. If he had smoked, Morrison would have continued to have been paranoid of heroin. As it is, he lost his fear due to distance from cannabis. The break occured circa 1968.... maybe Spring of that year was likely his last good times. Summer of 1968 was out of control LSD craziness at Hollywood Bowl and Mick Jagger in the audience to ruin his trip. Jim became hyper aware of the crowd, whereas he did best in darker places where the people disapeared into the dark strangeness.... and back in the magic of 1966 and 67.

It was the time and the times... and it was Bob Dylan's B-day yesterday (May 24th).

Look to Dylan for the answers. He put them inside Brian Jones' brass casket by way of symbols and coded messages.

Have you seen The Source Code?

[Defiance]

gc1966, on 24 April 2012 - 02:33 AM, said:

Towards the end of Oliver Stone's narration of the Doors movie, in the Miami trial court scene. Stone suggests that Jim had none or little support from the Rock commuity, and that he was made more or less an outcast because of the controvercy that surrounded Morrison at the time. Is this true? Also, as Stone suggest's, in the final scene with the Doors, was he pidgeon holed and typcast by the media? and was this the catylyst for him leaving for Paris ?

What is a 'Rock Community' anyway?

'Community' is just a trendy word... and anyone part of that trendy group who did not stick by Morrison are utter fools.

What this means is that you can keep silent on an issue and not cause a problem... or you can write about it in a negative manner and portray Jim as guilty.

Are you asking why so-called "Rock Journalists" talked crap, or are you asking why the major Rock stars did not publically support him?

I would say that it is not Eric Clapton's duty to hold a benefit concert for Jim, and Clapton is part of the real Music Scene.

Let's take The Band for example. They are part of the Music Scene. Did they "distance" themselves from Morrison? They never had anything to do with Morrison in the first place.

The Doors didn't jam with other bands and thus Jim was not like a Robert Plant folk singer type who could fit in easy with anyone.
Jim had a very narrow idea regarding song selection that other bands would not want to adhere to. Jim would only sing what made him sound good with very little effort.

I don't understand who is supposedly distancing themselves and why it would matter.

Jim had a few music friends that he would Jam with, like Canned Heat, but that is just a music thing. I could not imagine Canned Heat protesting at the court house.

The Doors was not Protest Rock. The Doors never made even one Protest Rock song.

Therefore, I would not expect any kind of protest in the name of Jim.

Jesus was murdered, not by the Romans. Did anyone protest Jesus' execution?

Is either's death protested today? I think not.

Protest is narrow... just like Jim's vocal range.

Edited by Defiance, 25 May 2012 - 07:38 AM.

[crazyhorse80]

Defiance, on 25 May 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Protest is narrow... just like Jim's vocal range.

And apparently narrow like your pair of jeans. A rock community is people like the Dead or Dylan or the Airplane or people that are making themselves out to be purveyors of free-speech and artistic expression just like The Doors were. Bands that supported each other at the Fillmore or Winterland or wherever else, bands that opened for The Doors that had no interest in supporting an artistic cause regardless if they liked Jim or not. And Jim had soul, and when that's the case, vocal range or technical bullshit has no meaning, cause Geddy Lee of Rush and Freddie Mercury had far more of a vocal range than Jim, but I could not see Jim wanting to sit-in with either Queen nor Rush, because both of those bands were robotic. And your idea that Robert Plant can sit in with anyone cause he has the vocal range of someone that was just kicked in the balls is laughable. Can you imagine Robert Plant sitting in with The Doors and how absurd that would be, especially if he was wearing the same blouse he had on during the Song Remains the Same film. The Doors and Jim had the spirit and improvisation of jazz, it was spontaneous musical combustion. You know, kind of in the same vein as Jimmy Smith, Grant Green and Wes Montgomery, who all abandoned the archetype of strings and horns "jazz" and let their blues-based musical train of thought play through mainly based on guitar and organ, with obviously the rhythm section playing the underlying root. It's labeled jazz, but it isn't, just like The Doors are labeled rock'n'roll, which they're not, cause there's nobody else like them, so, what really, does vocal range have to do with anything? If it does, I'm assuming Josh Grobin is playing oh so gently on your stereo, cause, you know, his vocal range is supposedly that of angels...

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 26 May 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

And apparently narrow like your pair of jeans. A rock community is people like the Dead or Dylan or the Airplane or people that are making themselves out to be purveyors of free-speech and artistic expression just like The Doors were. Bands that supported each other at the Fillmore or Winterland or wherever else, bands that opened for The Doors that had no interest in supporting an artistic cause regardless if they liked Jim or not. And Jim had soul, and when that's the case, vocal range or technical bullshit has no meaning, cause Geddy Lee of Rush and Freddie Mercury had far more of a vocal range than Jim, but I could not see Jim wanting to sit-in with either Queen nor Rush, because both of those bands were robotic. And your idea that Robert Plant can sit in with anyone cause he has the vocal range of someone that was just kicked in the balls is laughable. Can you imagine Robert Plant sitting in with The Doors and how absurd that would be, especially if he was wearing the same blouse he had on during the Song Remains the Same film. The Doors and Jim had the spirit and improvisation of jazz, it was spontaneous musical combustion. You know, kind of in the same vein as Jimmy Smith, Grant Green and Wes Montgomery, who all abandoned the archetype of strings and horns "jazz" and let their blues-based musical train of thought play through mainly based on guitar and organ, with obviously the rhythm section playing the underlying root. It's labeled jazz, but it isn't, just like The Doors are labeled rock'n'roll, which they're not, cause there's nobody else like them, so, what really, does vocal range have to do with anything? If it does, I'm assuming Josh Grobin is playing oh so gently on your stereo, cause, you know, his vocal range is supposedly that of angels...

Marriage is between a man and a woman... as God created it. *In response to 'jeans' remark. Where is your mind at if you are thinking about my 'tight' pants?

First of all... we weren't talking about 'A rock community'.... we were talking about 'the rock community'. Try and take notice of the difference. 'The rock community' consists of critics and so-called 'rock journalists' as well as people who are not musicians.

Second, I don't think that bands should support each other. If you are good enough, you can make it by yourself with just the help of God as Jim did.

It was God singing when Jim used his vocal cords. Any 'singer' who "needs" vocal-cord surgery should not be singing in the first place.

Artistic Expression is not what Jim did. Jim was a Blues singer. Blues is never about expressing oneself. Blues is communication with God.

I am asking you, how would a band back in the 60s have even gone about supporting Jim? You aren't explaining what 'support' even is. Giving Jim some cannabis would be support.

I studied Jazz in college and Louis Armstrong invented something called 'compressed melodies' as to fit his narrow vocal range. Billie Holiday utilized vocal melody compression herself as to focus the energy on Blues and not some Bull Shit unimportant melody. The Blues is the only important thing. Throw out the melody.

Jim Morrison learned his singing technique of 'vocal compression' from Billie Holiday and Satchmo, hence Morrison's narrow vocal range present on all Doors records.

You simply are not familiar with Jazz terms and therefore think I am somehow insulting Jim. I am complemeting Jim by saying that his vocal range was narrow.

If you know about music, then how could you ever say that Jim had a broad vocal range??? In other words, Jim wouldn't be on your favorite show 'Glee'.

Jim had no musical training, yet he was a great singer.

It would seem that the record company selected opening bands, not the main artist themselves. Remember how The Doors wanted Johnny Cash and were told 'NO'????

I am not arguing that Jim didn't have 'Soul'.... but I must ask you, what is it that made Bop 'Hard'? Will you please tell us...

Hard Bop is what made The Doors... and Hard Bop consists of Coltrane, the Adderleys, Miles Davis, Horace Silver, Art Blakey, etc...

How did you get to Jim sitting in with Queen or Rush? What in the hell are you even getting at?

What I was saying was that Jim was not a Folk singer and therefore would not be invited into others' groups as lets say a Jerry Garcia or Graham Nash would be.  I was talking about Plant being in an Americana Bluegrass band...you know... real music.

Country is not real music. There is no such thing as 'Country-Rock'.

I would only place Jim with Clapton in terms of the Brits.

Jim is a loner Blues man.... Jim is Robert Johnson.

You seem to misconstrue everything I said.

I never said that Plant could sit in with anyone because of his vocal range.... I said that he could sit in with anyone because he is a Folk singer!!! What this means is that he sang 'songs of the people' and his repitoire is vast.

Jim was not a folk-singer.... he didn't know folk songs.

No, I don't imagine Plant with The Doors. Why would I?

You make an absurd statement and try and claim that I was the one who said it, yet it came from your mouth initially. Truly mental.

The Spirit of Jazz???? Huh? Don't know what that is. I think that The Spirit of St. Louis is more relevant to Jim.

The Doors is a result of Providence. Do you know what Providence is?

Limited Vocal range has everything to do with why Jim is great.

I will say it again, Jim has a narrow vocal range. How can you argue against that fact?

No, No, No, those Jazz guys you mention did not abandon 'strings'. 'Strings' were abandoned long before in time of Be Bop by Charlie Parker and Gillespie, as well as by Miles Davis and Charlie Christian. Those guys you mention are Hard Bop which came after. It is all Jazz though.

Regardless of the instrument, in the late 50s, it was more about getting back to the roots of Jazz via the Blues. Jazz is Blues at its most basic. There was no exodus of horn players in Hard Bop (Soul Jazz) as you somehow imply. There were a lot of Hard Bop horn players, just as there were a lot of Hard Bop guitarists and Hard Bop keyboardists [i.e. Wes Montgomery and Jimmy Smith, respectively].

If it has improv, then it is Jazz since Jazz is improv. You seem to be stuck on this idea of The Doors not being Rock n Roll, yet The Doors are 100% Rock and Roll.

In closing, I find you offensive to music itself. I never said that increased vocal range was better or somehow great in and of itself. All that matters in music is Blues and God.

Did you even go to one year of college? I ask because you don't seem to appreciate music and I know that learning music appreciation is a freshman course.

Josh Grobin can join the dolphins. He is not Jazz regardless of what he sings.

Edited by Defiance, 26 May 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[crazyhorse80]

Defiance, on 26 May 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

Marriage is between a man and a woman... as God created it. *In response to 'jeans' remark. Where is your mind at if you are thinking about my 'tight' pants?

First of all... we weren't talking about 'A rock community'.... we were talking about 'the rock community'. Try and take notice of the difference. 'The rock community' consists of critics and so-called 'rock journalists' as well as people who are not musicians.

Second, I don't think that bands should support each other. If you are good enough, you can make it by yourself with just the help of God as Jim did.

It was God singing when Jim used his vocal cords. Any 'singer' who "needs" vocal-cord surgery should not be singing in the first place.

Artistic Expression is not what Jim did. Jim was a Blues singer. Blues is never about expressing oneself. Blues is communication with God.

I am asking you, how would a band back in the 60s have even gone about supporting Jim? You aren't explaining what 'support' even is. Giving Jim some cannabis would be support.

I studied Jazz in college and Louis Armstrong invented something called 'compressed melodies' as to fit his narrow vocal range. Billie Holiday utilized vocal melody compression herself as to focus the energy on Blues and not some Bull Shit unimportant melody. The Blues is the only important thing. Throw out the melody.

Jim Morrison learned his singing technique of 'vocal compression' from Billie Holiday and Satchmo, hence Morrison's narrow vocal range present on all Doors records.

You simply are not familiar with Jazz terms and therefore think I am somehow insulting Jim. I am complemeting Jim by saying that his vocal range was narrow.

If you know about music, then how could you ever say that Jim had a broad vocal range??? In other words, Jim wouldn't be on your favorite show 'Glee'.

Jim had no musical training, yet he was a great singer.

It would seem that the record company selected opening bands, not the main artist themselves. Remember how The Doors wanted Johnny Cash and were told 'NO'????

I am not arguing that Jim didn't have 'Soul'.... but I must ask you, what is it that made Bop 'Hard'? Will you please tell us...

Hard Bop is what made The Doors... and Hard Bop consists of Coltrane, the Adderleys, Miles Davis, Horace Silver, Art Blakey, etc...

How did you get to Jim sitting in with Queen or Rush? What in the hell are you even getting at?

What I was saying was that Jim was not a Folk singer and therefore would not be invited into others' groups as lets say a Jerry Garcia or Graham Nash would be.  I was talking about Plant being in an Americana Bluegrass band...you know... real music.

Country is not real music. There is no such thing as 'Country-Rock'.

I would only place Jim with Clapton in terms of the Brits.

Jim is a loner Blues man.... Jim is Robert Johnson.

You seem to misconstrue everything I said.

I never said that Plant could sit in with anyone because of his vocal range.... I said that he could sit in with anyone because he is a Folk singer!!! What this means is that he sang 'songs of the people' and his repitoire is vast.

Jim was not a folk-singer.... he didn't know folk songs.

No, I don't imagine Plant with The Doors. Why would I?

You make an absurd statement and try and claim that I was the one who said it, yet it came from your mouth initially. Truly mental.

The Spirit of Jazz???? Huh? Don't know what that is. I think that The Spirit of St. Louis is more relevant to Jim.

The Doors is a result of Providence. Do you know what Providence is?

Limited Vocal range has everything to do with why Jim is great.

I will say it again, Jim has a narrow vocal range. How can you argue against that fact?

No, No, No, those Jazz guys you mention did not abandon 'strings'. 'Strings' were abandoned long before in time of Be Bop by Charlie Parker and Gillespie, as well as by Miles Davis and Charlie Christian. Those guys you mention are Hard Bop which came after. It is all Jazz though.

Regardless of the instrument, in the late 50s, it was more about getting back to the roots of Jazz via the Blues. Jazz is Blues at its most basic. There was no exodus of horn players in Hard Bop (Soul Jazz) as you somehow imply. There were a lot of Hard Bop horn players, just as there were a lot of Hard Bop guitarists and Hard Bop keyboardists [i.e. Wes Montgomery and Jimmy Smith, respectively].

If it has improv, then it is Jazz since Jazz is improv. You seem to be stuck on this idea of The Doors not being Rock n Roll, yet The Doors are 100% Rock and Roll.

In closing, I find you offensive to music itself. I never said that increased vocal range was better or somehow great in and of itself. All that matters in music is Blues and God.

Did you even go to one year of college? I ask because you don't seem to appreciate music and I know that learning music appreciation is a freshman course.

Josh Grobin can join the dolphins. He is not Jazz regardless of what he sings.

Thanks, I basically meant everything I said, just figured I'd write that so I could have a good laugh this morning and so you'd waste more of your precious time with senseless rambling, haha. And it's quite fascinated to watch someone have a mental breakdown in front of your eyes; you sure you don't have syphilis or some other malady that causes delusional thought and behavior?

But not that I'm going to respond to anything else after this, but it's pretty impressive how you misconstrue your own comments and confuse yourself. Will you please make up your mind about how to classify The Doors: In that one impressive post, you claimed they were rock'n'roll, blues and hard-bop, which clarifies my statement that there's no way to classify The Doors because they all of those things and more. Sure, they play them on classic rock radio stations, but those same stations also play Billy Idol and Motley Crue, so I guess it's all the same then, right? And it's been well-documented Jim did not like cannabis too much, he preferred alcohol, so you can put the pipe down now. And yes, rock journalists are basically critics, it's all opinionated, and if they don't like The Doors' music or stage presence, it's their job to be critical. But it's a whole different thing considering the era that they were in and the so-called fight against the establishment and fight-for-freedom that regardless if they liked the music, they should have rallied around the cause. And you actually believe that groups shouldn't support each other? The Doors made it to the Whisky with the support and recommendation from Love's Arthur Lee, without that, there may or may not be a Doors message board right now. That's a rock community and that's support. I think the notion is absurd that a benefit concert could have been held for Jim--laughable actually--but just like with the rock critics, whether or not these bands liked The Doors or Jim, what happened to him in Miami--being falsely accused and convicted--could have happened to anyone else from any band, and you'd think they'd at least say something to one of these rock "journalists," supporting Jim, which would have given these critics something to think about instead of just spouting their lame observations of the band, and other bands too. But there was nothing, just lame humor about Jim being a buffoon.

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 26 May 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Thanks, I basically meant everything I said, just figured I'd write that so I could have a good laugh this morning and so you'd waste more of your precious time with senseless rambling, haha. And it's quite fascinated to watch someone have a mental breakdown in front of your eyes; you sure you don't have syphilis or some other malady that causes delusional thought and behavior?

But not that I'm going to respond to anything else after this, but it's pretty impressive how you misconstrue your own comments and confuse yourself. Will you please make up your mind about how to classify The Doors: In that one impressive post, you claimed they were rock'n'roll, blues and hard-bop, which clarifies my statement that there's no way to classify The Doors because they all of those things and more. Sure, they play them on classic rock radio stations, but those same stations also play Billy Idol and Motley Crue, so I guess it's all the same then, right? And it's been well-documented Jim did not like cannabis too much, he preferred alcohol, so you can put the pipe down now. And yes, rock journalists are basically critics, it's all opinionated, and if they don't like The Doors' music or stage presence, it's their job to be critical. But it's a whole different thing considering the era that they were in and the so-called fight against the establishment and fight-for-freedom that regardless if they liked the music, they should have rallied around the cause. And you actually believe that groups shouldn't support each other? The Doors made it to the Whisky with the support and recommendation from Love's Arthur Lee, without that, there may or may not be a Doors message board right now. That's a rock community and that's support. I think the notion is absurd that a benefit concert could have been held for Jim--laughable actually--but just like with the rock critics, whether or not these bands liked The Doors or Jim, what happened to him in Miami--being falsely accused and convicted--could have happened to anyone else from any band, and you'd think they'd at least say something to one of these rock "journalists," supporting Jim, which would have given these critics something to think about instead of just spouting their lame observations of the band, and other bands too. But there was nothing, just lame humor about Jim being a buffoon.

I never said that The Doors were Hard Bop. What I did say is that Hard Bop made The Doors, as in Coltrane's Hard Bop influenced Ray and John. Jim didn't play an instrument like the others in the band, so he is therefore naturally more influenced by the Jazz singers of the time, and not necessarily Hard Bop musicians.

If you consider passion for Jim and Jesus to be a mental breakdown, then so be it.

Music is not something that you can shit on, so I am protecting it from people like yourself.

You simply are not paying attention.

I am not posting any of this for your benefit; you are beyond help and way past saving. I am speaking to the youth whom have not closed their minds off. God knew that no one in the Land of Canaan could be saved, so thus he ordered Genocide.

The Doors are not Jazz, therefore they are not Hard Bop. Hard Bop is an influence on The Doors, as is North Indian Classical Music. Sometimes North Indian Classical music is wrongly referred to as "raga" by rock-journalists in an attempt to sound hip and cool. There is no genre known as 'raga'. 'Raga' is not an influence in any form Rock. Ragas are precise melody forms within North Indian Classical.

The Doors made some Jazz-Rock with 'Touch Me', but Jazz-Rock is not Jazz. Jazz-Rock is Rock that incorporates elements of Jazz.

This incorporation is not possible with Rock and Country. Once any element of Country is added, it thus becomes Country itself. Theoretically, there can be Rock-Country in which a Country act would cover a Rock song, but there is hardly any difference being made to the Country basis. Rock gets drowned out in the Country.

Elvis was Bluegrass and Blues.... not Country and Blues. The one thing Jim was wrong about regarding music, and I don't fault him since it is merely due to the brainwashing and Project Monarch, was that Rock and Roll came from a merging of Country and Blues. Jim meant to say it was Bluegrass and Blues that made Rock n Roll.

Like I said, we must trust in marriage, not the type of union you suggest with your VD talk. God warned us of the Canaanites and their practice of bestiality and incest, the former being where VD came from and the latter being how it was spread.

God sent Joshua and his army to destroy Canaan by fighting the battle of Jericho, hence setting the scene for the founding of the Land of Israel in the name of the Lord.

The Doors are Blues....they are a Blues band. The Doors are also Rock n Roll since Rock n Roll is Blues. Rock is the progression of Rock n Roll. Some Rock is Blues, but not all. The Doors, as Rock, exists as Blues.

Note: Blues can be Rock n Roll in instances such as when a Black Blues artist covers someone like CCR or Zeppelin. A Black player doing Rock n Roll can be Rock-Blues if the Black Blues player wants it to be (i.e. Howlin' Wolf or Muddy Waters playing with a White back up band).

With the said, there is no such thing as "Blues Rock" though. The Doors are not "Blues Rock". So-called "Blues Rock" does not exist.

You need to learn how to present an argument and then give some facts to back it up.

For me, this is only about Jim.

Dude!!! Classic Rock radio has nothing to do with Classic Rock!!!! You are talking about a radio format that does not adhere to the actual music which makes up Classic Rock.

Classic Rock is 1962-1980. New Wave and whatever else 80s crap you mentiono are not Classic Rock. Anything from 1981 is not Classic Rock. It is not all the same. Radio stations are run by morons. Trust your own vinyl and John Lennon. The years that Lennon was active is what amounts to Classic Rock.

SRV is not Classic Rock. SRV is Blues.

Jim loved cannabis. According to Ray, Jim was a Stoner. He had to give it up in 1968 due to paranoia, likely from Project Monarch complications.

The Whisky: That was strictly the public concert live aspect of The Doors. Their sound came from God, not some night club that is today a place of evil.

Yes, Love supported The Doors.... at first. Arthur Lee soon grew tired of Jim. It didn't last.

The Blues of The Doors would have made it to us even without Love since it was ultimatley up to God. Perhaps it happened quicker because of exposure early on, but the whole thing does not rely on Love. Love wasn't exactly Black Music; Arthur Lee was a mulatto. He does deserve credit where it is due. What more do you want me to say? The Doors' sound was not influenced by Love. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band on Elektra was more likely a source of 'sonic' inspiration in terms of getting the right sound on record.

Nothing from the Whisky made its way into Jim's music.

In other words, Fuck the Whisky! They have pussy security who think they can harass patrons. I'd like to see them mess with a MMA artist one of these days.

What about this 'benefit concert'?

Rock Journalists only wrote in Rock publications... and only Rock fans read them, therefore the rest of America would not hear about it. It would not have done any good even if the critics had supported Jim. The Rock community was not strong at that time.... and it still isn't,but at least there is the internet today and forces can join together.

Rock stars would have had to have gone on TV so that the whole country could have see in order for Jim to have gotten justice.

It couldn't have happened to any other Rock star unless said Rock star was involved in Project Monarch (i.e. Brian Jones, Janis, Jimi, etc.....).

Perhaps if The Doors had been viewed as a Blues band from the beginning, then things would have been more calm. They would have gone under the radar.

Edited by Defiance, 26 May 2012 - 10:27 PM.

[crazyhorse80]

Defiance, on 26 May 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

I never said that The Doors were Hard Bop. What I did say is that Hard Bop made The Doors, as in Coltrane's Hard Bop influenced Ray and John. Jim didn't play an instrument like the others in the band, so he is therefore naturally more influenced by the Jazz singers of the time, and not necessarily Hard Bop musicians.

If you consider passion for Jim and Jesus to be a mental breakdown, then so be it.

Music is not something that you can shit on, so I am protecting it from people like yourself.

You simply are not paying attention.

I am not posting any of this for your benefit; you are beyond help and way past saving. I am speaking to the youth whom have not closed their minds off. God knew that no one in the Land of Canaan could be saved, so thus he ordered Genocide.

The Doors are not Jazz, therefore they are not Hard Bop. Hard Bop is an influence on The Doors, as is North Indian Classical Music. Sometimes North Indian Classical music is wrongly referred to as "raga" by rock-journalists in an attempt to sound hip and cool. There is no genre known as 'raga'. 'Raga' is not an influence in any form Rock. Ragas are precise melody forms within North Indian Classical.

The Doors made some Jazz-Rock with 'Touch Me', but Jazz-Rock is not Jazz. Jazz-Rock is Rock that incorporates elements of Jazz.

This incorporation is not possible with Rock and Country. Once any element of Country is added, it thus becomes Country itself. Theoretically, there can be Rock-Country in which a Country act would cover a Rock song, but there is hardly any difference being made to the Country basis. Rock gets drowned out in the Country.

Elvis was Bluegrass and Blues.... not Country and Blues. The one thing Jim was wrong about regarding music, and I don't fault him since it is merely due to the brainwashing and Project Monarch, was that Rock and Roll came from a merging of Country and Blues. Jim meant to say it was Bluegrass and Blues that made Rock n Roll.

Like I said, we must trust in marriage, not the type of union you suggest with your VD talk. God warned us of the Canaanites and their practice of bestiality and incest, the former being where VD came from and the latter being how it was spread.

God sent Joshua and his army to destroy Canaan by fighting the battle of Jericho, hence setting the scene for the founding of the Land of Israel in the name of the Lord.

The Doors are Blues....they are a Blues band. The Doors are also Rock n Roll since Rock n Roll is Blues. Rock is the progression of Rock n Roll. Some Rock is Blues, but not all. The Doors, as Rock, exists as Blues.

Note: Blues can be Rock n Roll in instances such as when a Black Blues artist covers someone like CCR or Zeppelin. A Black player doing Rock n Roll can be Rock-Blues if the Black Blues player wants it to be (i.e. Howlin' Wolf or Muddy Waters playing with a White back up band).

With the said, there is no such thing as "Blues Rock" though. The Doors are not "Blues Rock". So-called "Blues Rock" does not exist.

You need to learn how to present an argument and then give some facts to back it up.

For me, this is only about Jim.

Dude!!! Classic Rock radio has nothing to do with Classic Rock!!!! You are talking about a radio format that does not adhere to the actual music which makes up Classic Rock.

Classic Rock is 1962-1980. New Wave and whatever else 80s crap you mentiono are not Classic Rock. Anything from 1981 is not Classic Rock. It is not all the same. Radio stations are run by morons. Trust your own vinyl and John Lennon. The years that Lennon was active is what amounts to Classic Rock.

SRV is not Classic Rock. SRV is Blues.

Jim loved cannabis. According to Ray, Jim was a Stoner. He had to give it up in 1968 due to paranoia, likely from Project Monarch complications.

The Whisky: That was strictly the public concert live aspect of The Doors. Their sound came from God, not some night club that is today a place of evil.

Yes, Love supported The Doors.... at first. Arthur Lee soon grew tired of Jim. It didn't last.

The Blues of The Doors would have made it to us even without Love since it was ultimatley up to God. Perhaps it happened quicker because of exposure early on, but the whole thing does not rely on Love. Love wasn't exactly Black Music; Arthur Lee was a mulatto. He does deserve credit where it is due. What more do you want me to say? The Doors' sound was not influenced by Love. The Paul Butterfield Blues Band on Elektra was more likely a source of 'sonic' inspiration in terms of getting the right sound on record.

Nothing from the Whisky made its way into Jim's music.

In other words, Fuck the Whisky! They have pussy security who think they can harass patrons. I'd like to see them mess with a MMA artist one of these days.

What about this 'benefit concert'?

Rock Journalists only wrote in Rock publications... and only Rock fans read them, therefore the rest of America would not hear about it. It would not have done any good even if the critics had supported Jim. The Rock community was not strong at that time.... and it still isn't,but at least there is the internet today and forces can join together.

Rock stars would have had to have gone on TV so that the whole country could have see in order for Jim to have gotten justice.

It couldn't have happened to any other Rock star unless said Rock star was involved in Project Monarch (i.e. Brian Jones, Janis, Jimi, etc.....).

Perhaps if The Doors had been viewed as a Blues band from the beginning, then things would have been more calm. They would have gone under the radar.

This isn't a response to any of your bizarre incoherence, just please explain to the youth that you are trying to lead to the musical promised land, what your credentials are or why anyone else should take anything you say seriously, and how you know anything about anything, because your posts do not suggest anything more than the thinking of someone who has access, and shouldn't, to a public library computer. So please, we'd all love to hear what makes you such a wise oracle...

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 27 May 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

This isn't a response to any of your bizarre incoherence, just please explain to the youth that you are trying to lead to the musical promised land, what your credentials are or why anyone else should take anything you say seriously, and how you know anything about anything, because your posts do not suggest anything more than the thinking of someone who has access, and shouldn't, to a public library computer. So please, we'd all love to hear what makes you such a wise oracle...

You don't respond because you have no argument. Blues has the final word.

Anyone who would claim to have credentials for Rock is scamming you, bro.

Anyone can know what I know about Blues simply by listening to Memphis Slim or Elmore James.

There is a member on here, and I told her of UFC and NBA, and within watching one bout and one game, respectively, she was able to understand what was going on in the fight. Pau Gasol needs to know that he is a Heavyweight fighter, and he is going into the octagon to fight.

As it is, trade Bynum for Roy Hibbert, the latter of which went to college for the full four years.

I only mention going to college myself because it means that it forces the student to at least try and back up what you say. It isn't even about what you learn, but how you do it. You seem to just select what is easy to grasp. You have made countless post and not really said anything except you mention a few Hard Bop players and then say that they are pioneers because they "left horns" behind. What are you even talking about? A musician who chooses to play the Hammond Organ is leaving behind the tenor sax?

It is what it is.......

Jim was not a Blues singer, he was a Blues man. No one sings the Blues since Blues is what comes from God.

Jim is a singer in the area of Blues. Not even Robert Johnson played Blues.  Players allow us to hear Blues, as it comes from God when the fingers touch the strings or the vocal cords vibrate.

Blues is what is heard when someone plays an instrument, but Blues is never being played.

I must touch on the idea of another singer with The Doors since you seem to be drawn to that scenario. Out of all the post-Morrison singers whom have played with The Doors, only Weiland is capable. His attitude is shit, but he has the voice.

A folk singer wouldn't make it with The Doors since The Doors are not Folk-Rock like Buffalo Springfield where the voice didn't matter. Stills was a folk voice.. very plain and simple. Burton Cummings from The Guess Who or Bob Hite from Canned Heat was more Jim-like.

Too many of the new female singers drown out the band, or minimize their importance. In addition, they all seem to mimic the same 'singer-songwriter' unclear-voice from some obscure 90s artist, so a female is out of the question for The Doors.

The exception is of course Janis who would shine brighter than any bandmate and deservingly so, hence her constant changing of groups. It took her until the Pearl album to get fine back up.

Rock stars of the 60s were not musicians. Musicians don't play Rock music. An exception would be Garth Hudson of The Band who was an actual musician and served officially as the group's music teacher. Where he came from, he could not be in a Rock band as his career... he had to use his musical training to justify being there and playing on cuts like 'The Weight' and 'Up On Cripple Creak'.

As far as changing The Doors sound, the guitar could theoretically be better, but it doesn't need to be in The Doors. It is only as good as it needs to be. If Kreiger were any better, it would take away from the brilliance of Jim's voice.

In other words, Jim's voice does not belong on Derek and the Dominos' 'Layla' since Duane Allman's slide is already more than enough. The listener needs that rough non-distracting voice of Clapton's.

Clapton would not fit with a folk band either since his singing is much like SRV's and purley to back up his own guitar playing (i.e. very functional). Jim's singing was just to satisfy his own inner music fan. Jim sang for himself.

You can waste space with sarcastic remarks about the library, but can you name me one Rock n Roll song that mentions an actual library?

Don't take me seriously. In fact, try and prove me wrong.

All will come to know that only Jesus is in charge. How can you be so happily unaware?

You seem to be one of those people who want proof of everything when evidence is under your feet. As they say in Alaska, pan your driveway and you will find gold since the driveways are made of leftover gold mining trailings.

Blues is Blues. What is more difficult than that?

It becomes difficult when someone says that Blues is not Blues, and rather, that Blues is really Country.

The reason there are no elements of Country that can be placed into Rock is that there were no elements of Country to begin with. Country is simply Black Blues turned inside out.

The Great Depression was designed in part to ruin Black owned record companies and replace them all with so-called 'Hillbilly' music which later would be morphed into Country and inserted into the White state of mind. They initally sold relatively innocent White music to get the White-owned music industry standard going, and then the newly minted Country was systematically crafted into the modern thing it is today (i.e. a constantly changing replacement for new kinds of Black music).

Sadly, it isn't Johnny Cash and TuPac that kids are hearing nowadays.

Many youth are lost, only one in a hundred will find the way.//;;like baby salmon being sent into the sea after hatching in the protected river.

In Blues, the guitar matches itself to the human voice....but in Country, they made it so that it wouldn't sound so Black by instead having the voice match itself to the guitar. It has no soul that way. There is no Blues anymore. If there is no Blues, then there is no Rock possible in an atmosphere of Country.

Edited by Defiance, 28 May 2012 - 08:09 AM.

[Defiance]

To get back on topic, and adress something from a PM.

There was so much going on back in the 60s regarding mind control since it was the time of Vietnam and death.... and Oliver Stone comes along and writes a glorification of warfare and somehow connects it to Jim.

For the sake of communciation, the program of mind control has been referred to as Project Monarch which involved the manipulation of Rock stars and their music.

Jim was sent a letter informing him that he must retire from the Rock life. Readers can infer that this was from J Edgar, or they can wonder if it wasn't part of something bigger. What do we call the murder of Jim Morrison?

A cabal against Jim? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal

It is all based on mysticism, which we must fight against.

We must look also at what goes on inside Record companies and how Jim's first two albums financed Elektra records and allowed them to expand.

The master recordings for The Doors and other artists are wide magnetic tapes, around 2". The magnetic particles arrange themselves into what comes out as music. Each time you play the tapes, the particles rearrange themselves.

In the case of Jim, at some point, people other than The Doors and Bruce Botnik had access to the tapes. The consensus is that they were taken to a spell room and a wizard cast a spell on them so that a demon would be conjured up and placed into the original recording so that any and all copies made from it would contain said demon.

Wherever crates of records were shipped, the wizards demon went.

During this wizardry process, all those years ago, were magnetic tape particles rearranged? You must ask yourself that question.

Regardless of whether it had any effect, is it ok for something like that to be done?

Edited by Defiance, 28 May 2012 - 07:56 AM.

[thendude]

none of us have to ask ourselves that question.  This is the real world, there are no such things as wizards or spells.  God is not the blues because there is no god.  Your arbitrary rules for what constitutes classic rock, jazz, blues and anything else are all in your head.  If someone wants to call SRV rock, or a song recorded post 1981 a classic rock song, they have every right to do so.  It's all just music, some good, lots of it bad, but at the end of the day nobody needs anyone else to condescend to them and dictate what should be classified as what.

[Defiance]

thendude, on 28 May 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

none of us have to ask ourselves that question.  This is the real world, there are no such things as wizards or spells.  God is not the blues because there is no god.  Your arbitrary rules for what constitutes classic rock, jazz, blues and anything else are all in your head.  If someone wants to call SRV rock, or a song recorded post 1981 a classic rock song, they have every right to do so.  It's all just music, some good, lots of it bad, but at the end of the day nobody needs anyone else to condescend to them and dictate what should be classified as what.

Proves you aren't listening. God is God. I never said God is the Blues. Blues is a form of music. Blues is the way to communicate with God.

SRV is Rock; SRV is also Blues. It depends on your outlook, both are correct. However, he doesn't come along until 1984, way past when Lennon died and new Classic Rock ceased. At some point, you have to end it... otherwise nothing is sacred, and thus nothing is Classic.

Aside from "Double Fantasy" in 1980, 'The Wall' from 1979/1980 is the death of Classic Rock. Rock isn't dead, but Classic Rock was slain with that disco beat which Floyd shows us, as well as with the assassin's gun.

Rock n Roll made post 1965 is Rock. Basically, bands like The Kinks, The Stones, The Animals, and The Beatles invented Rock. It is like what Hard Bop is to Be Bop. Rock went back to the roots and brought out the Blues more than other Rock n Roll of 1964 was doing.

A song like The Animals 'House of the Rising Sun' could theoretically be the first Rock song. It comes from a mid-1800s work song sung by Black slaves or Black prisoners. It was not a cover, despite it being recorded by many artists, since The Animals did not base their version on any particular recording, but rather treated it as an oral songtelling tradition, which is what Blues is deep down. A cover is a new recording of a previously recorded work.

Rock is Blues. There is no 'Blues-Rock' since Rock already is expected to consist of Blues. Rock bands can not be rewarded for adding Blues to their set list.

Even though Blues is from God, it has roots in Gospel, Field Holler/Work Songs, Spanish-tinge or Creole sound from the islands, Jazz....

By the way, I never defined Jazz other than saying it must have improvistion. Jazz can come from anywhere and there is a clear timeline for it going back to the 1910s. Before Blues as a music was named, it existed as Black folk music.

You acknowledge God when you refer to him as God.... as you have done.

I am not talking about a god, we are instead discussing God.

God is the creator. No one and nothing created God since he has always been. We are made in his image.

God put Adam to sleep and took a rib out of him for a want. You have a want regarding this music. God may answer your call to experience Blues.

It is easy for you to say that I am wrong about what constitutes Rock, but what can you say about it that is better?

You are all fluff. At least I try to say something.

Why the need to state that wizards don't exist if you are already sure? Trying to convince yourself no doubt.

I never said I put trust in such things. I clearly stated that Jesus is Lord and we are not to worship Voodoo.

Look what happened with the Hurricane Katrina that God sent to clean up New Orleans.

Whether it is witchcraft, Voodoo, Kaballah, Mind Control, Blood Libel... it is all dealt with accordingly.

Fighting against evil is nobel even if there is not a bloody battle. What if preparation for the fight is what keeps evil at bay? There may not be vampires at your door now, but there someday will be, and the blood painted above your doorway won't keep them from stopping.

It may sound cliche, but this is hell. This is a place where abortion not only is allowed, but it is promoted. How could anyone not recognize such a place as hell?

To Note: You stated "or a song recorded post 1981 a classic rock song", but it is any song recorded post-1980 is not Classic Rock. You must pay attention. One little year makes all the difference. Rock music changed into something else in 1981.

People may have a right to be ignorant, but they don't have a right to be heard. Being ignorant and referring to Motley Crue/Guns n Roses as Classic Rock will not bring you into favor with the Lord.

Perhaps you need to be told what to do. Everyone is either a leader or a follower. Nothing bad about either. It is what it is.

You are not leading us anywhere, but I would glady turn the reins over to you if you have something to say.

Rock is all about dictating. Jim was a dictator of Rock.

Edited by Defiance, 28 May 2012 - 07:36 PM.

[crazyhorse80]

Defiance, on 28 May 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

Proves you aren't listening. God is God. I never said God is the Blues. Blues is a form of music. Blues is the way to communicate with God.

SRV is Rock; SRV is also Blues. It depends on your outlook, both are correct. However, he doesn't come along until 1984, way past when Lennon died and new Classic Rock ceased. At some point, you have to end it... otherwise nothing is sacred, and thus nothing is Classic.

Aside from "Double Fantasy" in 1980, 'The Wall' from 1979/1980 is the death of Classic Rock. Rock isn't dead, but Classic Rock was slain with that disco beat which Floyd shows us, as well as with the assassin's gun.

Rock n Roll made post 1965 is Rock. Basically, bands like The Kinks, The Stones, The Animals, and The Beatles invented Rock. It is like what Hard Bop is to Be Bop. Rock went back to the roots and brought out the Blues more than other Rock n Roll of 1964 was doing.

A song like The Animals 'House of the Rising Sun' could theoretically be the first Rock song. It comes from a mid-1800s work song sung by Black slaves or Black prisoners. It was not a cover, despite it being recorded by many artists, since The Animals did not base their version on any particular recording, but rather treated it as an oral songtelling tradition, which is what Blues is deep down. A cover is a new recording of a previously recorded work.

Rock is Blues. There is no 'Blues-Rock' since Rock already is expected to consist of Blues. Rock bands can not be rewarded for adding Blues to their set list.

Even though Blues is from God, it has roots in Gospel, Field Holler/Work Songs, Spanish-tinge or Creole sound from the islands, Jazz....

By the way, I never defined Jazz other than saying it must have improvistion. Jazz can come from anywhere and there is a clear timeline for it going back to the 1910s. Before Blues as a music was named, it existed as Black folk music.

You acknowledge God when you refer to him as God.... as you have done.

I am not talking about a god, we are instead discussing God.

God is the creator. No one and nothing created God since he has always been. We are made in his image.

God put Adam to sleep and took a rib out of him for a want. You have a want regarding this music. God may answer your call to experience Blues.

It is easy for you to say that I am wrong about what constitutes Rock, but what can you say about it that is better?

You are all fluff. At least I try to say something.

Why the need to state that wizards don't exist if you are already sure? Trying to convince yourself no doubt.

I never said I put trust in such things. I clearly stated that Jesus is Lord and we are not to worship Voodoo.

Look what happened with the Hurricane Katrina that God sent to clean up New Orleans.

Whether it is witchcraft, Voodoo, Kaballah, Mind Control, Blood Libel... it is all dealt with accordingly.

Fighting against evil is nobel even if there is not a bloody battle. What if preparation for the fight is what keeps evil at bay? There may not be vampires at your door now, but there someday will be, and the blood painted above your doorway won't keep them from stopping.

It may sound cliche, but this is hell. This is a place where abortion not only is allowed, but it is promoted. How could anyone not recognize such a place as hell?

To Note: You stated "or a song recorded post 1981 a classic rock song", but it is any song recorded post-1980 is not Classic Rock. You must pay attention. One little year makes all the difference. Rock music changed into something else in 1981.

People may have a right to be ignorant, but they don't have a right to be heard. Being ignorant and referring to Motley Crue/Guns n Roses as Classic Rock will not bring you into favor with the Lord.

Perhaps you need to be told what to do. Everyone is either a leader or a follower. Nothing bad about either. It is what it is.

You are not leading us anywhere, but I would glady turn the reins over to you if you have something to say.

Rock is all about dictating. Jim was a dictator of Rock.

Answer a question when you are asked it. Don't spew incoherence. Explain why you think people should listen to anything you say. If you think you are the be-all and end-all, tell us why, or there's no other reason for anyone to do anything but laugh at you, which judging from every response to you on this forum, is exactly the case. You are a joke and a laughing stock, so, please, tell us again why you are so special.

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 29 May 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

Answer a question when you are asked it. Don't spew incoherence. Explain why you think people should listen to anything you say. If you think you are the be-all and end-all, tell us why, or there's no other reason for anyone to do anything but laugh at you, which judging from every response to you on this forum, is exactly the case. You are a joke and a laughing stock, so, please, tell us again why you are so special.

Hey, you never asked me any question that was not sarcastic.

Explain what? Anyone and everyone has access to this Blues knowledge simply by putting on a Robert Johnson disc.

You seem to want more. You have a want, and God will take from you in order to fulfill your want just as he took a rib from Adam to do as much.

You seem to be caught up on me when Blues is between a person and God. You have no part in Blues between a man and God.

I never claimed to be 'special' or any of the other stuff you listed. This is about Jim Morrison and Jesus, not you....nor I.

I expect a response from you somewhere along the lines of 'Why are you an expert? You think you are better than me? I have a brother who plays Country-Rock in a dive bar. I am signed to label. My band is going on tour. Answer the question. Answer the question'.


I know your type from the Rock world. Your uncle works at the label, so that is how you got signed. You play electric because acoustic is not Rock enough for you and your lads [the thicker acoustic strings hurt your fingers is the real reason].

The Blues is a means to an end. Don't involve another person in your Blues, otherwise it is Voodoo and it will be the reason God sends a Earthquake to your area.

Look at Haiti... they worship Voodoo there and conduct rituals, as they did in New Orleans before the cleansing storm.

[save us jeebus save us]

gc1966, on 24 May 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Sorry for re-booting this topic, although something Oliver Stone has suggested or implied in the narration of the Doors movie was that Jim was a Heroin user, is this true ?

there has been a lot of speculation, and some others may be able to expound on it more than i, that jim died from a heroin overdose.  lots of stuff about od'ing at a night club, being brought home, put in a bath tub, lots of stuff about maryann faithful and the count that pam courson used to see, etc etc.  supposedly mary ann faithful was with the count when pam called to tell him about jim od'ing.  wish i could remember more about it, and if people would just ignore defiance and deal with reality, and not stuff about how jim had lost touch with marijuana and marriage being JUST between man and woman, maybe we could get more info on the subject.  im am very interested in learning more about this as supposedly this is the reason jim died.