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[crazyhorse80]

A long ways down the page on this website, Paris Letter there is a few pictures of a letter Jim sent to Frank and Kathy Lisciandro from Europe in 1971, in which he states that "we'll be back in Paris around June 7 thru Sept." Does anyone know if he planned on returning to the states then? I don't remember seeing this discussed before and know there's always been a lot of speculation as to what would have happened after he left Paris, just wondering if anyone knows where he was planning on leaving Paris for in September of '71...

[Shelby68]

IIRC Keneally claimed that Jim told her he'd be moving to New York in the fall, maybe September.

That letter to Frank & Kathy would be proof though that Jim & Pam were not staying indefinitely in Paris.

What about the following (on that web site you linked) partial letter to "Dave"? That seems interesting. Is there no explanation surrounding it? I only see "a letter written by Jim" en espanol.

[Hamlet]

well, it doesn´t take a genius to scroll down and read the letter to Bob, where Jim tells of "our desire to stay here indefinitely."

[LaurelCanyon]

Dave Marsh was a rock critic and writing for magazine Creem at that time.
Jim also mentioned in that letter his departure to Paris.
This letter must be written around February 1971.

[mizscarlett43]

crazyhorse80, on 11 March 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

A long ways down the page on this website, Paris Letter there is a few pictures of a letter Jim sent to Frank and Kathy Lisciandro from Europe in 1971, in which he states that "we'll be back in Paris around June 7 thru Sept." Does anyone know if he planned on returning to the states then? I don't remember seeing this discussed before and know there's always been a lot of speculation as to what would have happened after he left Paris, just wondering if anyone knows where he was planning on leaving Paris for in September of '71...

No, he wasn't going to come back to the States at all unless he won the appeal of his sentence, because he knew he wouldn't survive prison. He was having nightmares (literally) about being murdered in jail.

If he'd lost the appeal I don't know that he would have stayed in Paris, but he would have stayed in France (no extradition treaty with the US).

Edited by mizscarlett43, 21 February 2013 - 01:24 AM.

[Hamlet]

LaurelCanyon, on 12 March 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Dave Marsh was a rock critic and writing for magazine Creem at that time.
Jim also mentioned in that letter his departure to Paris.
This letter must be written around February 1971.

er...no!

[Hamlet]

mizscarlett43, on 13 March 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

No, he wasn't going to come back to the States at all unless he won the appeal of his sentence, because he knew he wouldn't survive prison. He was having nightmares (literally) about being murdered in jail.

If he'd lost the appeal I don't know that he would have stayed in Paris, but he would have stayed in France (no extradition treaty with the US).

Like Polanski

[mizscarlett43]

Hamlet, on 13 March 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Like Polanski

Yep, though their respective "sex crimes" couldn't be more different.

Edited by mizscarlett43, 21 February 2013 - 01:25 AM.

[mizscarlett43]

Shelby68, on 12 March 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

IIRC Keneally claimed that Jim told her he'd be moving to New York in the fall, maybe September.

That letter to Frank & Kathy would be proof though that Jim & Pam were not staying indefinitely in Paris.

What about the following (on that web site you linked) partial letter to "Dave"? That seems interesting. Is there no explanation surrounding it? I only see "a letter written by Jim" en espanol.

Kennealy lies. Always.

Edited by mizscarlett43, 21 February 2013 - 01:26 AM.

[Hamlet]

mizscarlett43, on 14 March 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Yep, though their respective "sex crimes" couldn't be more different.

true

[freedomgirl]

I´m surprised that there are still people who believe anything Keneally says...?

[Defiance]

Hamlet, on 12 March 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

well, it doesn´t take a genius to scroll down and read the letter to Bob, where Jim tells of "our desire to stay here indefinitely."

It is funny how people think that 'indefinitley' means for an eternity. In the US, we say indefinitely to mean that we don't know when. The best sport in the world is basketball, the NBA in particular, and if a player is injured and he is out indefinitely, then it just means they don't know how long it will take for the player to heal. It could be three weeks, or it could be three months... it is indefinite.

What it all comes down to is were The Doors (i.e. Elekta, Ray, Robby, John, Botnik, Holzman) going to ask Jim to come back? If they would have done so, Jim would have made it happen.

Jim is telling them that the ball is is in their court. Apparantley they did not want Jim back.

I don't know what could have been done to make Jim safe, but where there is a will... there is a way.

The first thing was to get Jim off drugs and onto Medical Cannabis.

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in·def·i·nite (n-df-nt)
adj.
Not definite, especially:
a. Unclear; vague.
b. Lacking precise limits: an indefinite leave of absence.
c. Uncertain; undecided: indefinite about their plans.

[Defiance]

Shelby68, on 12 March 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

IIRC Keneally claimed that Jim told her he'd be moving to New York in the fall, maybe September.

That letter to Frank & Kathy would be proof though that Jim & Pam were not staying indefinitely in Paris.

What is your arguement? No one can not be staying indefinitely. It is a double negative (i.e. I don't not know what time it is). If you weren't staying indefinitely, then you wouldn't use that word to begin with(i.e. You would simply say when it is that you are leaving). Either, A. you are staying indefintely (unknown length of time), B. you are staying for a specific length of time, or C. you are simply leaving.

Saying that Jim was not staying indefinitely in Paris is like saying that Jim didn't not know when he was leaving.

Unless Jim had a date that he was leaving, he was staying indefinitley. He could be staying indefinitley one minute, then go on a bi-polar break and pack up in the night.... or make grandiose plans as manic depressive people tend to do.

There is a poetic usage of 'indefinitley' which means 'endless', but Jim was trying to communicate his intentions, he wasn't writing lyrics.

Edit: Jim could have stated that he would be in Paris through September, but that doesn't mean he thus had plans to leave when that month ended. I think he was just stating all he knew as honestly as he could say. September turns into November, November turns into February..... he was a heroin addict. Would he really leave his source of the drug that he was addicted to and possibly face not being able to find any more drugs?

Regarding what he said to PK... he may have just been saying that to have been saying it... if you know what I mean. Only Jim knew what he meant.

Edited by Defiance, 20 March 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[*~adrienne~*]

If Jim had lost the appeal he would've stayed in France, period. Maybe not Paris, though. But as Janet said they couldn't have extradited Jim to the US. I think he was just staying there until he found out if he'd won or lost the appeal. Depending on the outcome he would've figured out what to do.

[GG Morrison]

crazyhorse80, on 11 March 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

A long ways down the page on this website, Paris Letter there is a few pictures of a letter Jim sent to Frank and Kathy Lisciandro from Europe in 1971, in which he states that "we'll be back in Paris around June 7 thru Sept." Does anyone know if he planned on returning to the states then? I don't remember seeing this discussed before and know there's always been a lot of speculation as to what would have happened after he left Paris, just wondering if anyone knows where he was planning on leaving Paris for in September of '71...

Well, while they were living in Paris, they did make a few little side trips.  Maybe they were going to visit Spain or somewhere in the fall, and that's what he meant.

[mizscarlett43]

GG Morrison, on 17 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

Well, while they were living in Paris, they did make a few little side trips.  Maybe they were going to visit Spain or somewhere in the fall, and that's what he meant.

Wow, long time no see! How're you doing, girl?

[GG Morrison]

mizscarlett43, on 18 April 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Wow, long time no see! How're you doing, girl?

Pretty well, thank you!  

Just getting a class in this semester and stuff, getting more feeble all the time, oy.  

[Pedro Kazit]

Walking with Jim in Paris:  http://news.celemond...e-jim-morrison/

[Defiance]

crazyhorse80, on 11 March 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

A long ways down the page on this website, Paris Letter there is a few pictures of a letter Jim sent to Frank and Kathy Lisciandro from Europe in 1971, in which he states that "we'll be back in Paris around June 7 thru Sept." Does anyone know if he planned on returning to the states then? I don't remember seeing this discussed before and know there's always been a lot of speculation as to what would have happened after he left Paris, just wondering if anyone knows where he was planning on leaving Paris for in September of '71...

Looks like you are well aware that Jim was not planning on dying in lonely Paris. It was a hit, an execution. There is no ocean there, so he would not consider it as a voluntary spot to lose himself.

How would Jim want to go out? Like a G.

You ask the question about Jim returning at the end of Summer, so you therefore consider it, yet when I mention the same thing (i.e. him not planning on dying and wanting to do some more Blues) you get all bonzo bongo on us.

He used the heroin for creative purpose, but he was addicted. He may not have had any artistic breakthroughs there in Paris, but he told Densmore he was ready to record again and had something new planned like no one had ever heard. It would have to be Reggae, as that is the music he and John heard on the Island.... but Jim also witnessed Voodoo, and it followed him to dark Paris.

It is like when Jesus was asked if he was God and he responded to the Romans, 'Thou have said it'. If you ask Jesus if he is God, then you already know he is, otherwise you would not even ask such a question of man.

God is the trinity: The father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. Which was Jim?

God is the creator and no one created him. He has always been. The one thing that God can not do is be less than he is. We can know God, but we can not question what mission he set Jim on in regards to the LSD trips in 1965, 1966, and 1967. He may have taken LSD in 1968, but he had a hard time with it. He did not have a bad trip though since there is no such thing as bad trips

Jim was too close to God for all that witchcraft stuff to take any hold, but that is not to say that it did not harm him. It was not safe. Jim needed to have been a UFC fighter, but too bad they didn't have MMA back then. He could master the kimura, the 'strong mans move', not for those under Middleweight.

Edited by Defiance, 11 June 2012 - 08:39 AM.

[imperialistpig]

Wasn't Pamela (or Pam and Jim) possibly working on going to D.C. to meet with his parents and/or siblings and work on patching things up? I read that somewhere or saw it in a documentary.