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[Defiance]

Encuentro, on 31 December 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

Your portrayal of liberals is beyond ridiculous. I am a liberal and proud of it. Liberals are not at war with Christmas. That is just plain silliness. Liberals are not attacking marriage. They support the right of all people, gay, straight and bisexual, to get married. That is a pro-marriage stance. Conservatives attack marriage by attempting to deny the right of same-sex couples to marry. Thankfully, their efforts failed here in NY. When the Proposition 8 battle makes its way to the Supreme Court and marriage equality is made legal at the federal level just as interracial marriage and abortion were, it will be a sad day for the likes of you who would deny equality to same-sex couples. The United States is moving in a socially progressive direction. Get on board or get out of the way.

Schools aren't allowed to have Christmas vacation anymore; instead it has to be Winter break.  No nativity scenes in publice places. No angels allowed. Israel launched a campaign ordering US Jews not to observe Christmas at all. It is not ok to not observe Christmas.

Prop 8 in CA passed. It is the Protection of Marriage Act. A gay judge overturned the will of the people. We did not want to destroy marriage in our state so therefore we drafted this law. To protect God as well. In 2003 we had to recall a Liberal from the governorship.

You don't know what marriage equality is since you don't seem to even know that marriage is between one man and one woman.

There is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. You can't compare it with 'interracial marriage' because who is really defining something as 'interracial' in the first place?

I don't think that a woman from Asia and a man from Mexico go around calling themselves 'interracial' when refer to their relationship status'. Who thinks of such a thing? White women do have to be careful that Black guys aren't just using them to show off to their friends about how they got a White girl now and he talk about how she have a thing for Black guys.

Why do gay people need to change what marriage is? Sort of like they are not being tolerant of normal people.

Dawn Visitation, on 01 January 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

Good to know that fires are not sadder in your world.   Yes, happy new year.

He just mad because the Miami Heat lost in the NBA finals to Dallas Mavericks. The Black player (LeBron) got schooled by the older White guy, a 7ft tall German named Dirk who can shoot better than anyone his height. LeBron James don't have no rings. When he got to Miami, he promised the city multiple championship titles. He failed the first year. Kobe Bryant will have his number this year though and there will be another big let down.

The Heat has a great start to this new season that started on Christmas day. 5 wins and no losses. It happens every year, same thing. LeBron rules during the regular season, but melts during playoffs.

Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Defiance]

On topic:

Hollywood arson fires continue New Year's Eve

By Sharon Bernstein and Jason Kandel and Samantha Tata
NBCLosAngeles.com

LOS ANGELES — Updated, 12:30 a.m. EST Sunday

The string of Hollywood fires continued Saturday night when another blaze broke out in West Hollywood.

The third reported fire of the evening broke out around 9 p.m. just south of Santa Monica Boulevard on Sweetzer Avenue.  About a dozen fire trucks responded and the roads immediately around the scene were closed to traffic.

See the original story at NBC Los Angeles

Firefighters responded to even more blazes in Hollywood carports shortly before 6 p.m. Saturday when simultaneous fires occurred within a block of eachother off Fountain Avenue.

One fire in the 6900 block of Fountain Avenue near Mansfield Avenue took 10 firefighters six minutes to extinguish. Initial reports noted this fire as occurring on Fountain and Orange avenues.

No injuries were reported and the flame was contained to the vehicle, according to fire officials.

A second fire nearby in the 1300 block of Citrus Avenue was also reported and put out before the blaze spread into the vehicle or the apartment complex overhead.

Arson investigators have been called to the scenes of both fires. It was not immediately clear whether Saturday evening’s incidents were connected to the string of nearly 30 intentionally set blazes that have plagued the Hollywood area since Thursday.

The person or group responsible for the fires appeared to be targetting cars parked in carports or in residential areas.
http://www.msnbc.msn...ime_and_courts/

Rothdell Trail pics

Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 07:23 AM.

[Defiance]

Sharing the info as I find it...

Hollywood arson spree: Ruin, wreckage at Jim Morrison's former home

December 30, 2011 |  1:06pm

Hours after an arson fire damaged the former home of Jim Morrison early Friday morning, the smell of smoke still hung heavy in the air.

A woman, identified by neighbors as the current owner, was seen moving some belongings and several bags of trash from the badly burned home at 8021 Rothdell Trail to a nearby truck.

Firefighters first received reports of a car fire at 2:38 a.m. By the time they arrived, flames had destroyed a Mazda Miata and damaged a Ford Expedition, officials said. The fire then spread to a balcony near where the cars were parked and to other parts of the house, they said.  

Residents in this canyon community are accustomed to the threat of wildfire, so when a bright orange glow was seen coming from the home, they sprung into action.  Neighbors went door to door, screaming for sleeping residents to evacuate.

Kelly Smith, 24, and her boyfriend, Kelly Stevens, 25, said they were asleep when the commotion jolted them awake. The couple left through a side door but returned to grab a some personal belongings. Their home was not damaged.

Smith said they retrieved a laptop and a cheap "New Jersey mall ring" her grandmother gave her in the third grade.

"It wasn't traumatic, but it was sad," she said.

The shell of the burned cars remained outside Morrison's former home Friday morning, resembling junkyard scraps. Nearby, a large sign notified neighbors and passersby that the area is under 24-hour surveillance

Authorities said video security cameras may provide clues to solving the rash of arsons.

http://latimesblogs....rison-home.html

Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 07:38 AM.

[Dawn Visitation]

Thank you for further information, Defiance.

I can though imagine it was/is traumatic for the current owner of this specific house, who was before this planning to sell it and now at loss.

Could not find it in myself to make a big deal of how the sole reason to care/pay attention someone's home was burning because it was Jim's home once upon a time so to kid that's my limit for not paying attention to "Jim's and Pam's". did pay attention to the strictly current issue. My thoughts are strictly with the current owner who has a whole set of issues that are not Jim's & Pam's and obviously other people have them too. World does not evolve around Jim Morrison when sad things happen to other people even if the media thrives on making the house about Jim Morrison. Now you know how I honestly feel/think, kid.

Edited by Dawn Visitation, 01 January 2012 - 12:11 PM.

[Encuentro]

Defiance, on 01 January 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Schools aren't allowed to have Christmas vacation anymore; instead it has to be Winter break.  No nativity scenes in publice places. No angels allowed. Israel launched a campaign ordering US Jews not to observe Christmas at all. It is not ok to not observe Christmas.

Prop 8 in CA passed. It is the Protection of Marriage Act. A gay judge overturned the will of the people. We did not want to destroy marriage in our state so therefore we drafted this law. To protect God as well. In 2003 we had to recall a Liberal from the governorship.

You don't know what marriage equality is since you don't seem to even know that marriage is between one man and one woman.

There is no such thing as 'gay marriage'. You can't compare it with 'interracial marriage' because who is really defining something as 'interracial' in the first place?

I don't think that a woman from Asia and a man from Mexico go around calling themselves 'interracial' when refer to their relationship status'. Who thinks of such a thing? White women do have to be careful that Black guys aren't just using them to show off to their friends about how they got a White girl now and he talk about how she have a thing for Black guys.

Why do gay people need to change what marriage is? Sort of like they are not being tolerant of normal people.

Acknowledging the fact that children of different faiths go to public school is hardly a war on Christmas. No one is stopping you from celebrating Christmas. You're making an absurd argument, but what else is new.

Proposition 8 never should have been on the ballot, because individual rights should never be put to a vote. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment guarantees that the state, in this case, California, cannot deny individual rights. That is precisely what happened when Proposition 8 was put on the ballot and passed. The state of California denied the already established right of same-sex couples to marry. That is precisely the argument that TRUE conservative Ted Olsen and David Boise are making as they battle the constitutionality of that discriminatory law. You're right. There is no such thing as gay marriage. There is just marriage, and in 6 states and the District of Columbia, it exists for same-sex couples as well as opposite sex couples. The fact that you categorize people as being "gay" or "normal" proves how ignorant you truly are. Gay people are normal.

[Defiance]

Dawn Visitation, on 01 January 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

Thank you for further information, Defiance.

I can though imagine it was/is traumatic for the current owner of this specific house, who was before this planning to sell it and now at loss.

Could not find it in myself to make a big deal of how the sole reason to care/pay attention someone's home was burning because it was Jim's home once upon a time so to kid that's my limit for not paying attention to "Jim's and Pam's". did pay attention to the strictly current issue. My thoughts are strictly with the current owner who has a whole set of issues that are not Jim's & Pam's and obviously other people have them too. World does not evolve around Jim Morrison when sad things happen to other people even if the media thrives on making the house about Jim Morrison. Now you know how I honestly feel/think, kid.

From the first page, "Authorities termed firefighters' efforts a "major save" because the house is old and nestled in a hillside area with a high density of brush". To me, this means that regardless of whose house it was, a determination was made to fight the fire based on the circumstances of its location.

I would like to think that any fire department would make an effort to save any structure of value, except of course if it belonged to Bernie Madoff.

The Rothdell Trail house was listed at $ 1.2 million, which has to mean that the owner is rich to an extent. We shouldn't feel bad for rich people when they lose things. People speculate on realty prices, and such a thing comes awfully close to 'predictions'. Predictions are part of superstition. Superstition is related to ritual and it is taught that we need to avoid rituals because they remove us from God.

I don't think anyone was paying more attention to the Rothdell Trail house at the time of the fire because of who used to live there (i.e. Jim Morrison). However, it became a news story because of the criminal nature of the fire and the famous aspect of it.

It is like when Amy Winehouse died and there were all the people who said 'How come they don't have news stories on the anonymous junkie who also died today?'. It is what it is.

What I am saying is that it would not have been in the media in the first place if the house was not once lived in by Jim Morrison. Therefore, the story has to revolve around Jim. Without Jim, there is no story.

Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 06:48 PM.

[Defiance]

Encuentro, on 01 January 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Acknowledging the fact that children of different faiths go to public school is hardly a war on Christmas. No one is stopping you from celebrating Christmas. You're making an absurd argument, but what else is new.

Who says we have to acknowledge any such thing? Christmas is not going to hurt anyone. So what if 'different faiths' go to a public school? That in and of itself should not stop Christmas celebrations in said school. The way I see, more people would be exposed to Christmas by having festivities in public schools.

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Proposition 8 never should have been on the ballot, because individual rights should never be put to a vote. The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment guarantees that the state, in this case, California, cannot deny individual rights. That is precisely what happened when Proposition 8 was put on the ballot and passed. The state of California denied the already established right of same-sex couples to marry. That is precisely the argument that TRUE conservative Ted Olsen and David Boise are making as they battle the constitutionality of that discriminatory law.

It was what the people wanted. How can you talk about 'never' and 'should have' when such discussion ignores what actually is?

Let's deal with 'what is'. Prop 8 was on the ballot and it did pass.

Marriage is not a constituational right. Marriage is a right from God. Constitutional rights involve: voting, education, freedom of speech, etc....

The Bill of Rights does not give someone the right to marry their pet cat or inject their kid with heroin.  

Despite all the many rights which do exist, people under the age of 18 do not have the right to consent to being 'gay'. Just like we can not legally label a youth as 'anti-social', we can not label them 'gay' either.

There is no 'already established' right which allows two men to marry eachother.

Prop 8 doesn't actually mention the word 'gay' at all, nor does it seek to deny gay people from anything. Prop 8 only officially defines marriage as between man and woman (the way it has always been).

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You're right. There is no such thing as gay marriage. There is just marriage, and in 6 states and the District of Columbia, it exists for same-sex couples as well as opposite sex couples. The fact that you categorize people as being "gay" or "normal" proves how ignorant you truly are. Gay people are normal

Protecting marriage does not constitute discrimination against anyone. Marriage is not between two people of the same sex. If we are gonna change marriage, then where does it stop once it begins? Man and beast together?

I never said that 'gay people' weren't normal. What I said is that non-gay people are normal. In nature, normal is what can lead to procreation.

Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 08:51 PM.

[Encuentro]

Defiance, on 01 January 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Who says we have to acknowledge any such thing? Christmas is not going to hurt anyone. So what if 'different faiths' go to a public school? That in and of itself should not stop Christmas celebrations in said school. The way I see, more people would be exposed to Christmas by having festivities in public schools.


It was what the people wanted. How can you talk about 'never' and 'should have' when such discussion ignores what actually is?

Let's deal with 'what is'. Prop 8 was on the ballot and it did pass.

Marriage is not a constituational right. Marriage is a right from God. Constitutional rights involve: voting, education, freedom of speech, etc....

The Bill of Rights does not give someone the right to marry their pet cat or inject their kid with heroin.  

Despite all the many rights which do exist, people under the age of 18 do not have the right to consent to being 'gay'. Just like we can not legally label a youth as 'anti-social', we can not label them 'gay' either.

There is no 'already established' right which allows two men to marry eachother.

Prop 8 doesn't actually mention the word 'gay' at all. Prop 8 only officially defines marriage as between man and woman (the way it has always been).

Protecting marriage does not constitute discrimination against anyone. Marriage is not between two people of the same sex. Marriage does not exist for same-sex couples. Where would you get something like that from? You are trying to change what marriage is. If we are gonna change marriage, then where does it stop once it begins? Man and beast together?

I never said that 'gay people' weren't normal. What I said is that non-gay people are normal. In nature, normal is what can lead to procreation.

Same-sex marriage was legal before Proposition 8 was put on the ballot. So, yes, it was as an established right in California. Proposition 8 was put on the ballot to strip that right away from same-sex couples in California. Proposition 8 should not have been on the ballot which is precisely the reason that it is being challenged. Putting individual rights to a vote is unconstitutional. If marriage is a right from God, than the state shouldn't being handing out marriage licenses since there is a separation of church and state. Marriage ceased to be solely a religious practice the moment the states started issuing marriage licenses. Individual rights are protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. Therefore, if it is legal for opposite-sex couples to obtain a marriage license, then it must be legal for same-sex couples to obtain a marriage license. Otherwise, there is a double standard. You say that marriage does not exist between same-sex couples. Tell that to the gay couples who are married and are getting married in the 6 states and D.C. where it is legal. Progress is on the march, and fossils like yourself are going to be left behind.

Edited by Encuentro, 01 January 2012 - 07:59 PM.

[Defiance]

Encuentro, on 01 January 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Same-sex marriage was legal before Proposition 8 was put on the ballot. So, yes, it was as an established right in California. Proposition 8 was put on the ballot to strip that right away from same-sex couples in California. Proposition 8 should not have been on the ballot which is precisely the reason that it is being challenged. Putting individual rights to a vote is unconstitutional. If marriage is a right from God, than the state shouldn't being handing out marriage licenses since there is a separation of church and state. Marriage ceased to be solely a religious practice the moment the states started issuing marriage licenses. Individual rights are protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. Therefore, if it is legal for opposite-sex couples to obtain a marriage license, then it must be legal for same-sex couples to obtain a marriage license. Otherwise, there is a double standard. You say that marriage does not exist between same-sex couples. Tell that to the gay couples who are married and are getting married in the 6 states and D.C. where it is legal. Progress is on the march, and fossils like yourself are going to be left behind.

To keep this on track, it is about Liberals creating Liberal policies in CA and one of those policies was to allow new growth to clutter the forests and create fuel for fires. That is why these past few large fires have been so bad in So Cal. The universal point is to save old growth, and to do that you hve to thin the trees so that a fire just moves through [no fuel] and doesn't burn down the large old trees.

Liberals wouldn't allow the forests to be maintained, so thus there was an uncontrollable blaze that cost us all the old trees in addition to all new ones.

Just because something is legal, it doesn't make it right. Smoking cigarettes is sure legal, but it is not advisable to do so. Children ought to be advised in school that it is not ok to be gay at such a young age, that gay is just for adults.

The measure for Prop 8 gained the required signatures. You can put anything on the ballot if enough people want to have a vote. Why are you so worried about it being on there? Because a majority of people want Prop 8?  

Abortion is not right, but it is legal, apparently.

God is not part of the whole church/state thing. God is above that.

The state can do many things on the behalf of God, grant licenses for marriage, grant permits for Medical Pot, give scholarships to students.

You say that 'gay-marriage' is legal, but what does illegal even mean? No one wanted to make 'gay-marriage' illegal. I wouldn't support such a law. In fact, I would vote against making 'gay-marriage' illegal.

You say that many states are handing out marriage licenses to people of the same sex. If they are of the same sex, then they can't be married. It is what it is. Sometimes the states make mistakes. Look at the Civil War.

All I am saying is that Prop 8 defines marriage as between man and woman. It says nothing about 'gay' or making anything illegal.

Think of it like the Hurricane in New Orleans. God did not punish the people by sending Katrina.... he saved the rest of the people. It is likely that it was Voodoo that they were saved from and that the Hurricane attempted to wipe out. The same with Haiti and the earthquake...Voodoo was being practiced there on the island.

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Los Angeles Police Department officers evacuate residents of an apartment building as multiple cars burn in a carport in the Sun Valley neighborhood of Los Angeles on Saturday, Dec. 31, 2011. For the third night in a row, a rash of arson fires has sent firefighters scrambling to extinguish car fires in various neighborhoods in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Dan Steinberg)
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Edited by Defiance, 01 January 2012 - 11:03 PM.

[Dawn Visitation]

Defiance, on 01 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

From the first page, "Authorities termed firefighters' efforts a "major save" because the house is old and nestled in a hillside area with a high density of brush". To me, this means that regardless of whose house it was, a determination was made to fight the fire based on the circumstances of its location.

I would like to think that any fire department would make an effort to save any structure of value, except of course if it belonged to Bernie Madoff.

The Rothdell Trail house was listed at $ 1.2 million, which has to mean that the owner is rich to an extent. We shouldn't feel bad for rich people when they lose things. People speculate on realty prices, and such a thing comes awfully close to 'predictions'. Predictions are part of superstition. Superstition is related to ritual and it is taught that we need to avoid rituals because they remove us from God.

I don't think anyone was paying more attention to the Rothdell Trail house at the time of the fire because of who used to live there (i.e. Jim Morrison). However, it became a news story because of the criminal nature of the fire and the famous aspect of it.

It is like when Amy Winehouse died and there were all the people who said 'How come they don't have news stories on the anonymous junkie who also died today?'. It is what it is.

What I am saying is that it would not have been in the media in the first place if the house was not once lived in by Jim Morrison. Therefore, the story has to revolve around Jim. Without Jim, there is no story.

I can assure you I was not thinking of the fire department when I wrote it because they know what it's about, it's not about Jim Morrison.

I usually don't feel bad for rich under other conditions, they materially get by but when it comes to home then rich or poor makes no difference to me, not when something unpredictable hits close to home, that's big and everyone's loss should be equal. Rich or poor, makes no difference deep down where it matters the most, imo deep down we are all equal.

As for the last that's exactly it, it's a story and one thing or two in stories told one's to question.

[Defiance]

Dawn Visitation, on 01 January 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

I can assure you I was not thinking of the fire department when I wrote it because they know what it's about, it's not about Jim Morrison.

I usually don't feel bad for rich under other conditions, they materially get by but when it comes to home then rich or poor makes no difference to me, not when something unpredictable hits close to home, that's big and everyone's loss should be equal. Rich or poor, makes no difference deep down where it matters the most, imo deep down we are all equal.

As for the last that's exactly it, it's a story and one thing or two in stories told one's to question.

I went to the original thread about For Sale and I looked at the satelitte image. The house practically backs up to the forest in the canyon. It would automatic to put the fire out. Yes, the firefigters know what to do and if the house catches fire fully, then so does the forest behind it so they acted fast and just the balcony was lost. It is not burned down, thank God.

Did you see the above pictures of the Miata car next to the redwood looking house? It isn't that bad. Norwgian Wood! It will take from the profit is all.

Ok, fair point, but the woman who was selling the house will have to deal with it all and we will see happens. What about the other 18 people from that night? Is her cirumstance worse because Jim lived in the house? I try to respect the house itself, leaving the owner out of it, at least for the sake of this thread.

I understand that you say Rich or poor makes no difference, but can you name any of the other people from this story besides the woman who was selling the $1.2 million house Jim lived in? Maybe we should look.

She is who we are paying attention to now. It is the story. Perhaps there is more to it. Maybe she was supposed to not sell it. Lizard King Juju.

To support earlier argument about fires,

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The fire problem in the West has resulted from an unnaturally large buildup of dry, highly-flammable excess wood in the forests.  Before the government began to suppress forest fires in the early 20th century, frequent small fires cleaned out the underbrush.  Large ponderosa pines, for example, often grew in open stands with densities between 20 and 50 trees per acre.  Now, as a result of preventing forest fires, smaller, crowded, less healthy trees often grow in the same places with densities of 300 to 700 trees per acre.

U.S. Forest Service Chief Thomas Tidwell (notice he is in Washington D.C.) blames the fire on everything but Forest Service incompetence, yet admits we are seeing massive fires every year that didn't occur 15 years ago.

http://townhall.com/...ce_incompetence

Edited by Defiance, 02 January 2012 - 12:32 AM.

[Defiance]

Found this, I can't figure out how bad it was now since this article makes it sound like the house is only ashes. The owner is called a female in the article from Post #23, but a man in this article here. I suppose it does touch them personally and not just financially in the wallet. You are right on that one.

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"You know he was very emotional and he just called me up  and said you won't believe it, the house is on fire. So I came up and I've been up here since and trying to trying to keep him calm, he's very emotional right now," House Designer Jorge Delanger.

The current owner of the house, known as Love Street, after a Jim Morrison tune, is trying to come to terms with the end of the legendary house.

The fire started in a neighbor's parked car, then spread to the house Jim Morrison lived in with his girlfriend, Pamela Corson.

About 10 years ago, Jorge Delanger redesigned the place.

"The energy's fantastic, as a matter of fact I stayed here for six months while I was redoing my house and it's just a great energy," Delanger said.

Directly across from the street from the Morrison house, is a bar, a restaurant, and a market. It's a common sight to see in Laurel Canyon, and it's gone through several names over the years.

At one point, it was the Cat and Fiddle, but, before that, Jim Morrison used to hang out here all the time with his friends.

"It's sad, it's sad to think that some crazy cat put a fire, bomb inside of a car that created this whole incredible mess and really touched and messed up people's lives," Delanger said.

So far, only one person has been hurt in the fires - a firefighter who fell from a ladder. He was listed in stable condition at a hospital.

A $60,000 reward is being offered for information leading to an arrest.

http://www.necn.com/...664&feedID=4214

Edited by Defiance, 02 January 2012 - 12:46 AM.

[Dawn Visitation]

Defiance, on 02 January 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

I went to the original thread about For Sale and I looked at the satelitte image. The house practically backs up to the forest in the canyon. It would automatic to put the fire out. Yes, the firefigters know what to do and if the house catches fire fully, then so does the forest behind it so they acted fast and just the balcony was lost. It is not burned down, thank God.

Did you see the above pictures of the Miata car next to the redwood looking house? It isn't that bad. Norwgian Wood! It will take from the profit is all.

Ok, fair point, but the woman who was selling the house will have to deal with it all and we will see happens. What about the other 18 people from that night? Is her cirumstance worse because Jim lived in the house? I try to respect the house itself, leaving the owner out of it, at least for the sake of this thread.

I understand that you say Rich or poor makes no difference, but can you name any of the other people from this story besides the woman who was selling the $1.2 million house Jim lived in? Maybe we should look.

She is who we are paying attention to now. It is the story. Perhaps there is more to it. Maybe she was supposed to not sell it. Lizard King Juju.

To support earlier argument about fires,



http://townhall.com/...ce_incompetence

I don't think I am going to win this debate.

[Defiance]

Dawn Visitation, on 02 January 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

I don't think I am going to win this debate.

I will go in for the kill then.

When a poor person loses everything, they remain poor. When a rich person loses everything, they become poor. There is more of a contrast between the rich person becoming poor than the poor person becoming poorer.

If the homeowner was poor, then we wouldn't hear about her in regards to this event.... probably because if she was poor then she wouldn't own the house in the first place. She is in the position she is in because of property she owns. I don't know how else to look at it.

You seem to empathize with the person, whereas I just read the story and take it in. Neither way is wrong, and neither is right.

Edited by Defiance, 02 January 2012 - 08:09 PM.

[Defiance]

It is blowing up on the news sites... "a press conference late Monday afternoon."

Was Hollywood arsonist angry after relative was denied entry to U.S.? Police probe immigration link to German arrested after fourth night of fires Police believe it is man on CCTV footage

By Mark Duell and Lydia Warren - Last updated at 7:09 PM on 2nd January 2012

The 'person of interest' arrested in connection with more than 50 fires in LA is a German who has been battling with federal immigration officials.
Sources say they do not know if the dispute is linked to the fires but confirmed he was fighting the government over the immigration status of a relative.

The Los Angeles Police Department is in communication with federal immigration officials concerning the dispute, law enforcement sources said.

The man was arrested after detectives found materials that could have been used to start fires inside his minivan which were confiscated and sent to the crime lab, according to the LA Times.

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The security camera video distributed by police at a news conference showed a white male in his late twenties to early thirties, dressed in black, with receding hair held in a ponytail.

Arrested: Police say its too early to speculate whether nor not the man they arrested is the arsonist they have been looking for

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L.A. arsons may have Canadian connection

QMI Agency- First posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:17 PM MST | Updated: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:28 PM MST

Police cannot confirm media reports that point to a Canadian connection in a string of arsons in Los Angeles.

A person of interest was being questioned about as many as 55 arsons, most started in cars, in a spree that began on Thursday, the Los Angeles Fire Department said Monday.

California media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times and City News Service, cite witnesses who say the man's minivan, where police reportedly found materials that could be used to set fires, had a Canadian licence plate.

Reached for comment, a police spokeswoman said she'd heard "many rumours like that" but could not confirm anything at the moment. She said cops would address the issue at a press conference late Monday afternoon.

City News Service said the licence plate was from British Columbia. The Times reported that despite the Canadian plates, the person of interest is from Germany.

Since the attacks began, there have been a total of 55 "fires of concern," including 45 in the Los Angeles area, nine in West Hollywood and one in Burbank, the fire department said on its website.

One of the fires damaged a house in the Hollywood Hills, where The Doors lead singer Jim Morrison was inspired to write the 1968 song "Love Street" about his girlfriend Pam Courson.

Fire chiefs declined to say how the blazes were started.

-- With files from Reuters- http://www.calgarysu...dian-connection

Edited by Defiance, 02 January 2012 - 08:19 PM.

[GG Morrison]

Dawn Visitation, on 02 January 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

I don't think I am going to win this debate.

You DO know who you're debating with, right?    

I hope they can restore the home.

[Defiance]

GG Morrison, on 02 January 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

You DO know who you're debating with, right?    

I hope they can restore the home.

No, it was only Euncentro the argument was with, about Libs. Ain't none of them out on the ranch.

She used the word kid, and I didn't realize that was the name of board member who posted on the previous page.

I wasn't sure where anything was going. I just stated that the term 'major save' was simply because of the house's proximity to the forest and the amount of brush in that area and not because of anything else.

I  know you have canyons in TX, and we have them here in CA, and brush can dry out during hot weater then become the perfect fuel when fires come.

A car set on fire in a more urban area doesn't spread to houses as quickly since there is less vegetation and parking is usually futher from houses. Everything is squeezed together up there in the canyon. The balcony was practically on top of the parking space.

Somehow it then was about the woman who owns the house. I don't know anything about the person other than she was selling the house and trying to market it as Doors related, which does increase the price higher than what it would have been without the Morrison connection.

Edit: The TV news just showed a woman named Natalie who was frightened by one of the fires that got near her. Losing money vs being frightened. I go with the latter of the two.

Edited by Defiance, 03 January 2012 - 12:17 AM.

[Dawn Visitation]

GG Morrison, on 02 January 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

You DO know who you're debating with, right?    

I hope they can restore the home.

That comment to him was tongue-in-cheek. He really is not a bad guy. We did have some differences in our approach as he mentioned. All's okay.

[morrison005]

Defiance, on 01 January 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

From the first page, "Authorities termed firefighters' efforts a "major save" because the house is old and nestled in a hillside area with a high density of brush". To me, this means that regardless of whose house it was, a determination was made to fight the fire based on the circumstances of its location.

I would like to think that any fire department would make an effort to save any structure of value, except of course if it belonged to Bernie Madoff.

The Rothdell Trail house was listed at $ 1.2 million, which has to mean that the owner is rich to an extent. We shouldn't feel bad for rich people when they lose things. People speculate on realty prices, and such a thing comes awfully close to 'predictions'. Predictions are part of superstition. Superstition is related to ritual and it is taught that we need to avoid rituals because they remove us from God.

I don't think anyone was paying more attention to the Rothdell Trail house at the time of the fire because of who used to live there (i.e. Jim Morrison). However, it became a news story because of the criminal nature of the fire and the famous aspect of it.

It is like when Amy Winehouse died and there were all the people who said 'How come they don't have news stories on the anonymous junkie who also died today?'. It is what it is.

What I am saying is that it would not have been in the media in the first place if the house was not once lived in by Jim Morrison. Therefore, the story has to revolve around Jim. Without Jim, there is no story.

"People speculate on realty prices, and such a thing comes awfully close to 'predictions'. Predictions are part of superstition. Superstition is related to ritual and it is taught that we need to avoid rituals because they remove us from God."


You speak of superstitions, but fail to include your "own" belief system?  

[Defiance]

morrison005, on 03 January 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

"People speculate on realty prices, and such a thing comes awfully close to 'predictions'. Predictions are part of superstition. Superstition is related to ritual and it is taught that we need to avoid rituals because they remove us from God."

You speak of superstitions, but fail to include your "own" belief system?  

It is not superstition when done for Jesus. God knows the difference. As long as it is not Voodoo that is being done, it is ok. Voodoo the cause for natural disasters; mainly flooding, storms, hurricanes, and tornados. Fire is most often man made, however, lightning does spark the great fires across the African Savannah.

Rainy season then comes to end the fires and God saves. God also saved New Orleans with that storm. Not punishment, but a second chance. No more Voodoo in Haiti either now.

Ghosts from the slave port's past.

Edited by Defiance, 03 January 2012 - 07:59 AM.