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[mizscarlett43]

Hamlet, on 01 December 2011 - 06:12 PM, said:

You´re rignt on the money, Scarlett.

Thanks, H.  I try...

[Just Another Dark Witness]

jc1631, on 01 December 2011 - 03:09 AM, said:

ewww.  no thanks.  sounds like a desperate attempt at making music.  

And you're being mean to a stranger, because? As Jim would say, "where do you hurt"?

[Defiance]

mizscarlett43, on 01 December 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

You can take your disrespectful and stick it, Nina. This man is a Marine veteran of one of our "stupid little wars" (Poppy Bush's Desert Storm) with one hell of a case of PTSD and that, on top of an inherited tendency to depression and self-medication, has clearly pushed him over the edge, pushed him into attempting to commit what's come to be known as  "suicide by cop."

New Mexico alone has had several such incidents just in the past year or two, all but one of them successful (i.e. fatal) IIRC.

Except in this case Cliff says he didn't do it, and you know, he just may be telling the truth. Ever think of that?

I don't think anyone dismissed PTSD nor disagreed with the fact that Cliff may have it. However, are you saying that we should indulge his 'Pappa Morrison' fantasy just because he is a veteran?

Also, ramming a cop car isn't an attempt at 'suicide by cop'. You would have to point the gun at the officer for it to be real. Cliff was just being dumb.

You don't know what exactly he inherited unless it came from his mother's side.

Just Another Dark Witness, on 01 December 2011 - 09:58 PM, said:

And you're being mean to a stranger, because? As Jim would say, "where do you hurt"?

Actually, if music is not made under desperate circumstances, then art does not come of it. You should be more concerned if your music isn't desperate. It should be life and death...because you have to do it.

mizscarlett43, on 01 December 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

Go fuck yourself, Jeremy (it's a lead-pipe cinch no one will do it for you anyway).
PS: A sample from Jim himself wasn't necessary for the test; Anne or Andy or even one of the senior Morrisons would have sufficed.

Yes, it was 'necessary' in order for Cliff to carry on with his con-act.

Neither Anne, Andy, nor Jim's parents were court-odered to submit any sample of their own... so obviously they didn't. Again, I ask you, what would any of them get out of doing such a thing?

What is even with Cliff's claim of being the grandson of the senior Morrison's? Please explain. Who would want to be related to that family in the first place? I wouldn't want to be friendly with someone who abused Jim.

P.S. You shouldn't smoke out of a lead-pipe.... or any kind of pipe from China for that matter.

[Just Another Dark Witness]

Who is this horrible troll? And why do we have to have them here? Guess that's what goes along with free speech. Lol...
Guess my music can't be considered art if we drank beer and actually had FUN making it over the past 40 years.
Oh, and the dumbest thing I've read here today is the comment about "suicide by cop"! Do you know how many people have gotten killed by cops, when the bad guys intentionally tried to ram their cars into the cop cars or cops themselves?? They will ABSOLUTELY shoot you for that! Try it some time, will ya Defiance? Test that one out for us....

[mizscarlett43]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 02 December 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

Who is this horrible troll? And why do we have to have them here? Guess that's what goes along with free speech. Lol...
Guess my music can't be considered art if we drank beer and actually had FUN making it over the past 40 years.
Oh, and the dumbest thing I've read here today is the comment about "suicide by cop"! Do you know how many people have gotten killed by cops, when the bad guys intentionally tried to ram their cars into the cop cars or cops themselves?? They will ABSOLUTELY shoot you for that! Try it some time, will ya Defiance? Test that one out for us....

Robert, as far as I'm aware the First Amendment's got nothing to do with it. I believe it was originally intended to protect political speech in the public arena, not loony and patently malicious bores doing their damnedest to destroy a private message board.

However, I believe Cliff (and/or his mother) would have a pretty solid case for libel* if they should choose to pursue it. Personally I'd pay good money in aid of such a lawsuit, but I'm not sure they'd need it. I prefer to believe the Admiral made sure that some of his son's considerable fortune was bequeathed to his grandson, and remembered his son's son in his Will.

*On edit 6:40 p.m.--I doubt they'd give it a second's thought, though. Poor silly Jeremy's simply not that important and I doubt Cliff even knows he exists, or gives a damn about the pathetic ass if he does know about him.

Edited by mizscarlett43, 02 December 2011 - 01:47 AM.

[Just Another Dark Witness]

Ya know Miz, I'm glad that most of us on this board are relatively nice and normal people-

[mizscarlett43]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 02 December 2011 - 01:37 AM, said:

Ya know Miz, I'm glad that most of us on this board are relatively nice and normal people-

Hey, who says I'm "nice and normal?"  SOMEBODY CALL MY LAWYERS!!!  

Edited by mizscarlett43, 02 December 2011 - 01:52 AM.

[Dawn Visitation]

mizscarlett43, on 01 December 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

You can take your disrespectful and stick it, Nina. This man is a Marine veteran of one of our "stupid little wars" (Poppy Bush's Desert Storm) with one hell of a case of PTSD and that, on top of an inherited tendency to depression and self-medication, has clearly pushed him over the edge, pushed him into attempting to commit what's come to be known as  "suicide by cop."

New Mexico alone has had several such incidents just in the past year or two, all but one of them successful (i.e. fatal) IIRC.

Except in this case Cliff says he didn't do it, and you know, he just may be telling the truth. Ever think of that?

Well, did I not write "if found guilty" so you can assume I did take notice of the rule "innocent until proven guilty".

What's disrespectful in not being supportive of Cliff's choices or not get them. I've been in a war myself as a civilian so imo it's not an excuse for criminal acts at all, just like it's not an excuse for war crimes either. Somewhere the line has to be drawn and to be able to recognize an action for what it caused when there's a victim. If now this is true then not everything is about Cliff.

[mizscarlett43]

Dawn Visitation, on 02 December 2011 - 03:05 AM, said:

Well, did I not write "if found guilty" so you can assume I did take notice of the rule "innocent until proven guilty".

What's disrespectful in not being supportive of Cliff's choices or not get them. I've been in a war myself as a civilian so imo it's not an excuse for criminal acts at all, just like it's not an excuse for war crimes either. Somewhere the line has to be drawn and to be able to recognize an action for what it caused when there's a victim. If now this is true then not everything is about Cliff.

AS A CIVILIAN, shameless Nina. AS A CIVILIAN.
  
And as terrifying as that may have been, I think even you would admit--if you were able, ever, to be the least bit honest--that it DOES NOT and CAN NOT compare to being IN THE FRONT LINES killing and liable to be killed virtually every second of every day.

Also, IIRC Cliff was (and for all intents and purposes always will be) a Marine. Do you know anything--anything at all--about our Marine Corps?  Mind you, I'm an Air Force brat myself but the Marines are now and always have been something special. Just ask 'em...;-)

[Defiance]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 02 December 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

Who is this horrible troll? And why do we have to have them here? Guess that's what goes along with free speech. Lol...
Guess my music can't be considered art if we drank beer and actually had FUN making it over the past 40 years.
Oh, and the dumbest thing I've read here today is the comment about "suicide by cop"! Do you know how many people have gotten killed by cops, when the bad guys intentionally tried to ram their cars into the cop cars or cops themselves?? They will ABSOLUTELY shoot you for that! Try it some time, will ya Defiance? Test that one out for us....

I'll tell you who I am not.... I am not someone who is at war with Christmas!

So, you are saying that the cops shot at Cliff? Must need more time at the range.

Why would I test out something that you suggest when you are not even willing to accept Jesus as Lord?

Yep, I thought so.

mizscarlett43, on 02 December 2011 - 01:28 AM, said:

Robert, as far as I'm aware the First Amendment's got nothing to do with it. I believe it was originally intended to protect political speech in the public arena, not loony and patently malicious bores doing their damnedest to destroy a private message board.

However, I believe Cliff (and/or his mother) would have a pretty solid case for libel* if they should choose to pursue it. Personally I'd pay good money in aid of such a lawsuit, but I'm not sure they'd need it. I prefer to believe the Admiral made sure that some of his son's considerable fortune was bequeathed to his grandson, and remembered his son's son in his Will.

*On edit 6:40 p.m.--I doubt they'd give it a second's thought, though. Poor silly Jeremy's simply not that important and I doubt Cliff even knows he exists, or gives a damn about the pathetic ass if he does know about him.

Perhaps you don't know what libel is exactly. Nothing I have said is libelous; though it is all true. Just because I factually stated that he is an incompetent singer, it doesn't equate to anything unallowable by law. His music attests to this discovery. The guy is truly horrible at music according to the Rules of Rock... but you know what, I would say that about anyone claiming to be related to Jim. Nothing malicious. It is what it is. He probably shouldn't be singing in the first place. It is up to the Rock gods.

BTW, untrue speech on a message board would be slander, not libel. Way to go on that one.

You yourself even admit this is a 'private message board', so not even slander is present since slander must be in public.

Also, anything not originally included in the Constitution is allowed for in the 9th Ammendment of the Bill of Rights. Furthermore, 'expressive conduct' is part of the 1st ammendment. If you followed the news, you would see that the UFC is suing the state of NY over not allowing MMA in that state. According to the suit, the state is violating the 1st ammendment rights of fighters by denying them their right to 'expressive conduct' (i.e. fighting in the octagon).

Unless Anne and Andy have kids, then the Admiral does not have any grandchildren.

Cliff is not Jim's son.

Where is your proof? All you have is belief.... a thing which isn't good enough in our book.

Out of nowhere you are now saying that Cliff doesn't know I exist. Well, I never claimed that he did know I existed. I am really not that important, seeing as I don't have a famous father and all. After this, we all know that you are only special if you have a dead Rock star as a dad.

P.S. Cliff did supposedly communicate here in the past and made some pretty hilarious posts about 'grandpa'. Too funny.

P.P.S Unless Cliff is a man of Islam and is awaiting Jesus' return, then I don't care that he doesn't give a damn about me.

Source: http://en.wikipedia....es_Constitution

Edited by Defiance, 02 December 2011 - 06:24 AM.

[Hamlet]

- I am positive a poster on this forum has mental problems.

[Dawn Visitation]

Hamlet, on 02 December 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

- I am positive a poster on this forum has mental problems.

Let's hope everyone on this forum is a bit mad for the song "Go Insane".

[Salli]

So far I only see two people here playing the "Insane" game....and we all know who they are.  


Defiance/ Jeremy/Troll wrote:

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BTW, untrue speech on a message board would be slander, not libel. Way to go on that one....You yourself even admit this is a 'private message board', so not even slander is present since slander must be in public.

Slander is spoken. Libel is anything written.

Look up your definitions before you post, Jeremy unless you wish to continue making yourself look ignorant.

This may be a private board, but people can access it without signing in which actually makes it a board able to be seen by anyone anywhere on earth who has access to a computer and wishes to see something about the Doors....

Edited by Salli, 03 December 2011 - 01:01 AM.

[Dawn Visitation]

You seem to forget Jim wrote it. Not interested in your games so if you excuse me, Salli.

[Defiance]

Salli, on 03 December 2011 - 12:53 AM, said:

So far I only see two people here playing the "Insane" game....and we all know who they are.  

Defiance/ Jeremy/Troll wrote:

Slander is spoken. Libel is anything written.

Look up your definitions before you post, Jeremy unless you wish to continue making yourself look ignorant.

This may be a private board, but people can access it without signing in which actually makes it a board able to be seen by anyone anywhere on earth who has access to a computer and wishes to see something about the Doors....

When I saw that you had replied within this discussion, I was hoping you would lay it down that Cliff has nothing to do with The Doors. However, you were merely taking an opportunity to spew slander in the form of name-calling.

I took Political Science in college and learned the difference between slander and libel. The internet was not around when you were young, so I can understand how you may confuse a posting on a message board with 'writing', but the truth is that we are talking here. You yourself even recently claimed that you had no time for worthless chatting here since you had 'real journalistic writing' off-site to do. Can't have it both ways. Either this is nothing, or it is something.

Messages on a Doors message board are 'spoken'.

Libel is 'lies in print', or in published writings. Nothing here is in print, nor is it even 'writings'. Unless you are going to make a book out of all this crap, and thus get my signed permission to use my expert musical analysis of a con-man claiming to be related to Rock-royalty, it is just talk.

Also, I never said it was a 'private board', Miz did. Way to keep up. However, one does need to navigate to this site, and such a thing can not be done by accident.

Edit: Now even I am getting confused with it all, but I got the fix done. Print that! I must ask though since Simon and Garfunkle's 'Sounds of Silence' comes to mind, if one draws unpopular words on the 'shit-house' walls, is it libel or slander?

Edit 2: Though this may be a 'public board', that alone does not constitute the 'in public' requirement for slander. 'In public' still needs to be a physical place where there is human traffic. This board is no more 'in public' than your backyard is. If I want to erect a 25 foot tall cross behind my house, one would still need to look into my yard in order to be offended by said cross... and what kind of person doesn't like a nice giant cross?

Edited by Defiance, 03 December 2011 - 04:58 AM.

[Salli]

Defiance, on 03 December 2011 - 02:46 AM, said:

Messages on a Doors message board are 'spoken'.

Libel is 'lies in print', or in published writings. Nothing here is in print, nor is it even 'writings'. Unless you are going to make a book out of all this crap, and thus get my signed permission to use my expert musical analysis of a con-man claiming to be related to Rock-royalty, it is just talk.

...so your "voice" sounds like what?????? I can't hear you! I can only read what you are writing on this board.

Libel/Slander
Definitions
Libel - For comments about an individual to be libelous, they must: (1) be false and (2) injure that person's reputation.
Slander - Similar to libel except that it appears in transitory form, such as speech, rather than in a published medium such as print or a internet server.

[Defiance]

Salli, on 04 December 2011 - 05:25 AM, said:

...so your "voice" sounds like what?????? I can't hear you! I can only read what you are writing on this board.

Libel/Slander
Definitions
Libel - For comments about an individual to be libelous, they must: (1) be false and (2) injure that person's reputation.
Slander - Similar to libel except that it appears in transitory form, such as speech, rather than in a published medium such as print or a internet server.

Cliff nor his lawyer/producer can prove he is Jim's son, so therefore what I said about him not being Jim's son can not be proven false.

Are you referring to the timbre of a voice, or just an accent? As you know, I am from L.A., home of The Doors, so thus there is no accent.

I am not really writing anything on this board, I am typing.

There is nothing I can say about Cliff Marston that he hasn't already advertised himself (i.e. the stalking of the senior Morrisons, the bad music). The line about sticking-up for 'grandpa' is pure comedy. Oops, 'sticking-up' is a poor choice of words... sorry.

The Doors message board is where free speech takes place. The 'reply' button is not a 'publish' button.... and none of it is in public. If it was in public, then people would be arrested for being drunk in public (green is for the Irish in Jim).

Don't you mean 'an internet server'? I am pretty sure you made that last part of the 'definition' up yourself since the the Doors board is not a 'published medium'. As I said before, you would have to make a book out of it in order for it to be 'in print'.

You are gonna have to get up a lot earlier and drink a whole lot more coffee to even have a chance at competing with this here 'publisher'. I am off to edit the memoirs of Governor Arnold the Terminator.

Edit: All Cliff has to do is stop with the nonsense and we will never mention him again. What if someone out there was going around claiming that she was your daughter and her name is Sheryl?

Edited by Defiance, 04 December 2011 - 05:52 PM.

[mizscarlett43]

Defiance, on 04 December 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH²

I don't know where Jeremy's hatred envy strong dislike of Jim's son comes from but over the many centuries* he's been infesting this board he's revealed himself time and again to be one bizarre SOB. He blathers incessantly about his Neanderthal politics and alleged Christian** faith but much of his dribble is just batshit craziness.

A tad too batshit crazy, I'm beginning to suspect--too calculated. No one could be that nutty and still function in the real world (if indeed he does) but someone's paying for his computer and internet access.
  So I'm wondering if he's actually on somebody's payroll, and if so, whose? Who would have that much interest in disrupting a message board financed by and dedicated to The Doors and their legendary frontman?
Mick Jagger? Lou Reed? John Fogerty?

What? You think I'm kidding?  ME?
___________________
* That's what it feels like, anyway.

**Or maybe this is his week to be Muslim? It's hard to keep up...

Edited by mizscarlett43, 05 December 2011 - 01:39 AM.

[Defiance]

mizscarlett43, on 04 December 2011 - 05:52 PM, said:

I don't know where Jeremy's hatred envy strong dislike of Jim's son comes from but over the many centuries* he's been infesting this board he's revealed himself time and again to be one bizarre SOB. He blathers incessantly about his Neanderthal politics and alleged Christian** faith but much of his dribble is just batshit craziness.

A tad too batshit crazy, I'm beginning to suspect--too calculated. No one could be that nutty and still function in the real world (if indeed he does) but someone's paying for his computer and internet access.
  So I'm wondering if he's actually on somebody's payroll, and if so, whose? Who would have that much interest in disrupting a message board financed by and dedicated to The Doors and their legendary frontman?
Mick Jagger? Lou Reed? John Fogerty?

What? You think I'm kidding?  ME?
___________________
* That's what it feels like, anyway.

**Or maybe this is his week to be Muslim? It's hard to keep up...

In order for hatred to be present, an equal amount of love is required. I don't know what his scam is in pretending to be 'Jim's son', but he is not after love. Trying to create a myth perhaps.

Out of all of this, you seem to be ignoring the quintessential detail that Cliff is not Jim's child. What would make you think he is related to Jim? The two don't look nor sound anything alike.

Jim may have had a low sperm-count due to going in a hot tub and wearing the tight pants, but he didn't have retarded-sperm.

It sounds like you are fond of the idea of Mind Control in the field of Rock. You are basically saying that I am a programmer along the lines of a Kris Kristofferson... which is not a bad association in and of itself. However, a shape shifting reptilian is a shape shifting reptilian.

Real World? Would that then make you part of the Fake World? Sounding more and more like you are alluding to Project Monarch and a rather large conspiracy, if you ask me.

Islam is the religion of Christianity. Jesus, in the form of a prophet, will return and wage battle, with the help of true Muslims, against those who 'killed' him a millenia ago.

Jesus can take many forms. Many say that the Archangel Michael is one form that Jesus took. Jesus himself is the human form of God. He came here originally to fight a great enemy, but once he got here, he then discovered that there was an even greater enemy than the Romans.

Also, I have more than enough artistic ideas as to not be envious of anyone, nor anything. In fact, I have too much to handle as it is. Being a 'Rock Star' is not high on the list.

I don't dislike Cliff. I don't make a determination either way. He is just someone who is ripping down Jim Morrison.

Edited by Defiance, 04 December 2011 - 08:44 PM.

[Salli]

Defiance, on 04 December 2011 - 07:48 AM, said:

I am not really writing anything on this board, I am typing.

Don't you mean 'an internet server'? I am pretty sure you made that last part of the 'definition' up yourself since the the Doors board is not a 'published medium'. As I said before, you would have to make a book out of it in order for it to be 'in print'.

Writing or typing on a computer results in the same thing which is an image of words on a website, blog, message board etc.

http://iml.jou.ufl.e...tillo/libel.htm
Definitions
Libel - For comments about an individual to be libelous, they must: (1) be false and (2) injure that person's reputation.
Slander - Similar to libel except that it appears in transitory form, such as speech, rather than in a published medium such as print or a internet server.

I wasn't the editor and I was quoting, so I did not correct the word "a" in this link.

Further information to show you are incorrect.

http://www.traversel...-libel-slander/


What is defamation, libel and slander?
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2. The false statement of fact must harm your reputation. There are many false statements posted across the internet. In order to constitute libel, a statement must not only be false but must harm you or your company’s reputation and cause harm.
3. The false statement of fact causing harm must be made without adequate due diligence or research into the truthfulness of the statement. Alternatively, plaintiffs often attempt to prove that the false statement of fact was made with full knowledge of its falsity.
4. If the person who is the subject of the false statement of fact is a celebrity or public official, the plaintiff must also prove “malice.” Malice is proven when the person posting the information on the internet intended to do harm or acted with reckless disregard of the truth in making the statements.
There is often confusion about the differences between defamation, libel and slander. In many ways, courts treat defamation on the internet similar to off-line defamation. But there are differences which you need to understand when the false statements are made on-line.
1. Defamation: An unprivileged false statement of fact which tends to harm the reputation of a person or company. This is a catch-all term for both libel and slander.
2. Libel: Defamation which is written such as on a web site. Most on-line defamation occurs through libel by posting a web page, comment, bulletin board post, review, rating or blog post.
3. Slander: Defamation that is spoken such as through an transcribed video, podcast or audio file.