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[Shebang]

In an era of corporate radio station ownership, and pre-programmed corporate playlists, Jim Ladd was the last original rock and roll DJ in Los Angeles.  His is the radio voice heard on "When You're Strange".  He recently got the axe as a result of a corporate radio buyout.  LA radio just won't be the same without him.  

http://www.latimes.c...0,2632982.story

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Asked why he won't simply read the writing on the wall and abandon a philosophy that in many respects belongs to another age, he turns to the words of another rock star.

"I have to quote David Crosby, who said, 'I feel like I owe it to someone.' I owe it to Tom and Rachael Donahue for what they did [as pioneers of free-form radio]. I owe it to Roger Waters for never selling out. I owe it to the Doors — they meant that music; they were not just singing pop songs. I owe it to John Lennon for what he sang in 'Working Class Hero' and 'Baby You're a Rich Man.' Mostly I owe it to my audience. It doesn't make sense for me to do it any other way."

[Defiance]

Shebang, on 06 November 2011 - 01:56 AM, said:

In an era of corporate radio station ownership, and pre-programmed corporate playlists, Jim Ladd was the last original rock and roll DJ in Los Angeles.  His is the radio voice heard on "When You're Strange".  He recently got the axe as a result of a corporate radio buyout.  LA radio just won't be the same without him.  

http://www.latimes.c...0,2632982.story

Actually, The Doors did do pop songs. Rock is the pop form of Blues. While The Doors were Blues, they were also Pop to the fullest. 'Unknown Soldier' is pure pop. The Doors designed that song to fit into the radio format, even going so far as to use a formula to determine song length, number of verses, and key the song was in.

I did listen to Jim Ladd... he then got excited about playing a U2 song so I never listened to him again.

Edit: Music can mean something and still be pop. Lennon's 'Imagine' is pop... it certainly isn't Classical or Jazz. Just listen to the drums on that song if you need help in determining its pop-status.

Edited by Defiance, 06 November 2011 - 07:01 AM.

[queenhwy]

That is too bad!    I hope he fairs well.  I heard there was going to be big changes in the radio industry.

I listen to KLOS every time I'm in SoCal.

[Defiance]

queenhwy, on 06 November 2011 - 10:34 PM, said:

That is too bad!    I hope he fairs well.  I heard there was going to be big changes in the radio industry.

I listen to KLOS every time I'm in SoCal.

He had a long stretch of years during which he basically programmed what people in the Southland (who cared for Rock) listened to. If the station doesn't want him, then it is the same as a member of the opposite sex who is not interested in one's advances. You can't make someone like you. Keep in mind though that Ladd did make negative comments in the past about the value of [Gangsta] Rap, and such a thing is not smart to do no matter who you are.

At least Ladd can still go into a smaller radio-market and continue being a host somewhere where his skills might be needed and they are not too particular about who they have as their on-air staff.

Edited by Defiance, 07 November 2011 - 02:42 AM.

[thendude]

hopefully Sirius/XM will snap him up, or he'll do an online radio show.  Terrestrial radio is a dying medium, and while it's cool KLOS let him run his own ship for so long, it's surprising they didn't cut him loose years ago.  Internet radio, streaming, podcasts and to a slightly lesser extent, Sirius/XM are the way to go these days.  no FCC bullshit to deal with and much fewer commercials to have to sit through (though that may change eventually)

I'm sure Ladd will land on his feet one way or another, I just hope he doesn't decide to keep spinning his wheels on terrestrial radio

[Defiance]

thendude, on 07 November 2011 - 06:12 AM, said:

hopefully Sirius/XM will snap him up, or he'll do an online radio show.  Terrestrial radio is a dying medium, and while it's cool KLOS let him run his own ship for so long, it's surprising they didn't cut him loose years ago.  Internet radio, streaming, podcasts and to a slightly lesser extent, Sirius/XM are the way to go these days.  no FCC bullshit to deal with and much fewer commercials to have to sit through (though that may change eventually)

I'm sure Ladd will land on his feet one way or another, I just hope he doesn't decide to keep spinning his wheels on terrestrial radio

Dude, Jim Ladd is a Liberal.

His radio programs are filled with hidden messages. If you ever heard of his 'Headsets' playlists, then you would know this to be true.

Also, there is no room for him on Sirius on the Classic Vinyl channel where he would likely want to go. Even the Deep Tracks channel already has a hand-mixed 'Headphones-only' type of show. Bottom line is that they don't need him.

Is Ladd too good for some local market?

[thendude]

Defiance, on 13 November 2011 - 04:37 AM, said:

Dude, Jim Ladd is a Liberal.

His radio programs are filled with hidden messages. If you ever heard of his 'Headsets' playlists, then you would know this to be true.

Also, there is no room for him on Sirius on the Classic Vinyl channel where he would likely want to go. Even the Deep Tracks channel already has a hand-mixed 'Headphones-only' type of show. Bottom line is that they don't need him.

Is Ladd too good for some local market?

I don't care about the guy's politics one bit.  Sirius/XM could make room for him if they want to.  I don't know if they will, or if he'll go the internet radio route, or find a job at another terrestrial radio station.  He's not too good for a local market, but in his shoes I wouldn't bother jumping onto another sinking ship.  Hell, maybe he'll decide to retire, he's certainly been in the game long enough, but if he wants to have any kind of shot at moving forward with some success and possibly more exposure, at least as on air talent, it's not going to be on terrestrial radio.

[mizscarlett43]

thendude, on 13 November 2011 - 07:17 AM, said:

I don't care about the guy's politics one bit.  Sirius/XM could make room for him if they want to.  I don't know if they will, or if he'll go the internet radio route, or find a job at another terrestrial radio station.  He's not too good for a local market, but in his shoes I wouldn't bother jumping onto another sinking ship.  Hell, maybe he'll decide to retire, he's certainly been in the game long enough, but if he wants to have any kind of shot at moving forward with some success and possibly more exposure, at least as on air talent, it's not going to be on terrestrial radio.

Dude, please understand that Jim Morrison's politics were definitely to the Left/ Liberal end of the scale, just like his bandmates Manzarek and Densmore.

And please, ignore the troll. He's just trying to stir sh*t, as usual.


Thanks.

[Shebang]

The LA Times article said that Jim Ladd was considering new offers.  So far no news about what is next on his Facebook page, I would love to see him land on a radio station again, hopefully one with a strong enough signal for me to pick up.  Los Angeles is too large a market not to have a decent rock radio station.

Here's a link Jim Ladd's facebook page, he's lately been helping out the Wounded Warriors.

http://www.facebook....DJ/204027468993

[Just Another Dark Witness]

I ran into Jim Ladd a bunch of times at 2 different radio stations he worked at in the late 70's, early 80's. Nice guy. I used to talk "Doors" with him. He was as big a fan as ME! (Lol...). One fun night, around '88, Ray was on his show, so I hung with Ray and Jim for an hour before the show started. Now THAT was a good time!

[thendude]

mizscarlett43, on 13 November 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

Dude, please understand that Jim Morrison's politics were definitely to the Left/ Liberal end of the scale, just like his bandmates Manzarek and Densmore.

And please, ignore the troll. He's just trying to stir sh*t, as usual.


Thanks.

yeah, I know where they were/are coming politically, it just doesn't matter to me.

as far as the troll goes, sometimes he's just too entertaining to ignore

[Defiance]

mizscarlett43, on 13 November 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

Dude, please understand that Jim Morrison's politics were definitely to the Left/ Liberal end of the scale, just like his bandmates Manzarek and Densmore.

And please, ignore the troll. He's just trying to stir sh*t, as usual.


Thanks.

Jim didn't have 'politics'. The whole point of him saying that they [The Doors] were 'erotic politicians' is that he meant he was replacing typical politics with 'erotic ideas' (i.e. suggestive lyrics, stage moves).

Morrison was not a Liberal... I wouldn't have been listening to him for all these years if he actually was one.

As for Manzarek and Densmore... their talents overshadow their failed political motives. The same goes for Freddie Mercury and Elton John being gay... they are so super talented that it doesn't even mattter. In other words, you don't really think about it when listening to the songs.

Jim Ladd on the other hand does not have any musical talent. All he does is attempt to brainwash people with his 'setlists' which contain his own hidden messages.

If Ladd did not transmit hidden messages, then what is even his point in putting together these 'headset' setlists? Does he not hope to manipulate people's thinking? He can't have it both ways. If that is not his intention, then he shouldn't be upset about losing his outlet for transmitting mind control tactics since he is merely just a DJ who spins records.

[Just Another Dark Witness]

Hidden messages? Ok, then....

[Salli]

Defiance, on 14 November 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

Morrison was not a Liberal... I wouldn't have been listening to him for all these years if he actually was one.

Hate to disappoint you, Jeremy. You'll have to find someone else to listen to from now and another board to freak out.

Jim Morrison was anti war, anti Nixon, anti racial discrimination (despite his stupidity with the N word) anti lack of education, pro abortion and he also held to a number of other liberal stances.  

Gee how do I know that.....I knew Jim.  

[Defiance]

Salli, on 15 November 2011 - 12:11 AM, said:

Hate to disappoint you, Jeremy. You'll have to find someone else to listen to from now and another board to freak out.

Jim Morrison was anti war, anti Nixon, anti racial discrimination (despite his stupidity with the N word) anti lack of education, pro abortion and he also held to a number of other liberal stances.  

Gee how do I know that.....I knew Jim.  

The Doors did not do so-called 'Protest Rock', a gimmick which happened to be big at the time. Morrison left that to other bands, specifically the Folk groups and those who played Woodstock.

The Doors did Social Commentary... quite the opposite of Protest.

Jim wasn't 'anti-Nixon' (whatever that means). Do you have any proof of this assertion or are you merely telling us how you feel that Morrison felt? Show us something.

War isn't always bad..... WWII and the subsequent 'Baby Boom' was responsible for Jim's birth. Men going off to war, or coming home from it, were more inclined to start families, hence the spike in births in the 1940s.

I know Jim too. Anyone can know Jim....through the music. There is nothing that he did put into those songs....and he didn't insert 'coded' messages as others of his era certainly did.

There isn't even such thing as 'anti-lack of education'. Education, or lack thereof, can be a choice. So, in essence, you are claiming that Jim is 'anti-choice'. Such a thing could be construed as 'pro-control'. Only Jesus has control... not anyone or anything else.

Speaking of which.... a woman can never recover from an abortion and it is always the man who talks the woman into having said abortion. The abortion doctors enjoy performing abortions, which is another reason the US should teach that it is not ok to have an abortion.

Education = learning that abortion is wrong. I guess that Jim was not as educated as you thought.

Jim was also wrong about the origins or Rock 'n' Roll in his statment that Blues was combined with 'Country' to form this new genre. 'Country' has no part in Rock 'n' Roll. What he meant was that Bluegrass was combined with 'Delta' Blues... by way of Elvis, of course.

[Salli]

Defiance, on 15 November 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

The Doors did not do so-called 'Protest Rock', a gimmick which happened to be big at the time. Morrison left that to other bands, specifically the Folk groups and those who played Woodstock.

The Doors did Social Commentary... quite the opposite of Protest.

Five to One...The Unknown Soldier? Those two songs are the definition of "Protest Rock."

Jim wasn't 'anti-Nixon' (whatever that means). Do you have any proof of this assertion or are you merely telling us how you feel that Morrison felt? Show us something.

Jim was anti Republican. Nixon was a Republican. I believe somewhere in an interview he refers to his dislike of Nixon and what Nixon stood for, possibly in one of the interviews he did with either Bob Chorush or Jerry Hopkins.

War isn't always bad..... WWII and the subsequent 'Baby Boom' was responsible for Jim's birth. Men going off to war, or coming home from it, were more inclined to start families, hence the spike in births in the 1940s.

War is never good. Jim wasn't a baby boomer. He was born during the War years, 1943. It's known as the War Babies or the Silent Generation. Baby boomers came along in 1947. The spike in births was from 1946 on.

There isn't even such thing as 'anti-lack of education'. Education, or lack thereof, can be a choice. So, in essence, you are claiming that Jim is 'anti-choice'. Such a thing could be construed as 'pro-control'. Only Jesus has control... not anyone or anything else.

Jim felt that the only intelligent choice was to be educated whether you learned from someone else or you were self taught.

Speaking of which.... a woman can never recover from an abortion and it is always the man who talks the woman into having said abortion. The abortion doctors enjoy performing abortions, which is another reason the US should teach that it is not ok to have an abortion.

Many women decide for themselves to have abortions. Men don't tell them to have them. Many men are against abortion, as you seem to be. Many women are for choice through abortion. I can tell you I know many women who have recovered from their abortions, because those abortions were their choices.  

I know Jim too. Anyone can know Jim....through the music. There is nothing that he did put into those songs....and he didn't insert 'coded' messages as others of his era certainly did.


"When I was back there in seminary school,"

- so I guess this means you know Jim well enough from his lyrics to know he went to seminary school? He never went to a seminary school. Obviously you don't know Jim as well as you thought you did, Jeremy. You can't know Jim just through his lyrics.

[Defiance]

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Five to One...The Unknown Soldier? Those two songs are the definition of "Protest Rock."

No, they aren't. Those two songs are 'social commentary' according to Jac Holzman, head of Elektra records at the time The Doors recorded there.
As I said, Folk artists did 'protest' music. Are you saying that The Doors were Folk? For 'Protest Rock', you need to think more along the lines of Buffalo Springfields's 'For What It's Worth' and Barry McGuire's 'Eve of Destruction'.... not 'The Unknown Soldier'. I honestly don't see how you or anyone else could place any Doors song in the 'protest' category.

Troops stationed in Southeast-Asia may have played 'Five to One' from the loudspeakers on their helicopters, but such an act does not change what Jim had in mind for the song's purpose. US Armed Forces killed VC while listening to 'Five to One'....so what does that tell you?

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Jim was anti Republican. Nixon was a Republican. I believe somewhere in an interview he refers to his dislike of Nixon and what Nixon stood for, possibly in one of the interviews he did with either Bob Chorush or Jerry Hopkins.

Jim disliked Nixon? What a revelation!!!

I am not convinced that Jim was 'anti' anything. What is the point in taking such an extreme stance on something?

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War is never good. Jim wasn't a baby boomer. He was born during the War years, 1943. It's known as the War Babies or the Silent Generation. Baby boomers came along in 1947. The spike in births was from 1946 on.

The result of the Civil War was that it freed Black people from Slavery in the United States. Also, Vietnam wasn't even a war.

Also, Jim was concieved in 1943. The time-frame of such a thing could be seen as the senior Morrison wanting to create a child in case he was killed during war-time so that Mrs. Morrison would be left with a child to carry on the family name. Don't forget that the Korean Conflict came right after WWII so many more men were going off to fight and die following that 1946 period.

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Jim felt that the only intelligent choice was to be educated whether you learned from someone else or you were self taught.

... and Jim chose not to be educated regarding abortion. If he had been educated on the mater, then he would know that doctors enjoy performing abortions, otherwise they wouldn't be 'providing' them since there is no reason for abortion.

Many women decide for themselves to have abortions. Men don't tell them to have them. Many men are against abortion, as you seem to be. Many women are for choice through abortion. I can tell you I know many women who have recovered from their abortions, because those abortions were their choices.

Yeah, they recover just as well as Casey Anthony did after killing her baby. Way to go! Regardless, it is always the man who implants the idea in the woman's head.

Of course some men are against abortion, but that doesn't mean that they are not the instigators of this crime.

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"When I was back there in seminary school,"

- so I guess this means you know Jim well enough from his lyrics to know he went to seminary school? He never went to a seminary school. Obviously you don't know Jim as well as you thought you did, Jeremy. You can't know Jim just through his lyrics.

First, I meant to say that "There is nothing that he did not put into those songs".

Second, as an English student yourself, you should know that 'Seminary school' is merely a metaphor.

Thirdly, I never mentioned lyrics. What I said is what he put into the songs, meaning vocal timbre, intonation, Blues, bent notes, hollers, soul, life, etc...

As a Blues man first and foremost, the words were just a method of bringing those essential Blue-notes to the listener. Some Blues artists get by with no words at all.

In closing, Jim's songs are not 'auto-biographical' and it doesn't really matter what he says. Rather, what matters is how he says it. So, 'Seminary school' is really just a throw-back to his early junior-college days in Florida where perhaps they told him something that turned out not to be true.

Jim put his heart into those songs, and that is all we need to know in order to know the man.

Edited by Defiance, 15 November 2011 - 04:58 PM.

[Salli]

Jeremy, you haven't any idea of who Jim was. You are just making a fool of yourself. You'll never know Jim just from his lyrics/songs. He was far too complex for you to grasp and, sadly, your posts all make that very clear.

[Defiance]

Salli, on 15 November 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

Jeremy, you haven't any idea of who Jim was. You are just making a fool of yourself. You'll never know Jim just from his lyrics/songs. He was far too complex for you to grasp and, sadly, your posts all make that very clear.

Thanks for making my point for (i.e. Jim's lyrics are not all there is to him).

Jim was so good at singing that he didn't even need to write one sentence of verse, let alone albums and albums worth of words.

I am saying that we know Jim because of his heart.... meaning, the thing he put into The Doors' music.

He put it all into the songs....leaving nothing out.

The disturbing thing is how you are trying to claim Jim Morrison for yourself... hoarding him so that no one else can have a glimpse.

The truth is that the 60s generation failed. You all let it go as early as 1967, and Janis, Jimi, and Jim knew it.

P.S. He can be understood on the most basic levels. Once someone comprehends the 'reptilian brain' of his work, they can move up to the next level of understanding and tackle that one.

If you are saying that you have mastered Jim Morrison, then I would be asking you things about him.

[Salli]

Jeremy, you STILL haven't any idea of who Jim was. You are STILL making a fool of yourself. You'll never know Jim just from his lyrics/songs. He was far too complex for you to grasp and, sadly, your posts all make that very clear.