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[Doorsmanagement]

We're working it out...Rhino US wasn't feeling the 5 CD Box Set, wanted to do it as a digital download only....but I think Rhino UK wants to do it, so if THEY do, then the US division probably will, too.

Too soon to tell, but looks pretty good. Stand by. Either way, it WILL be available digitally, but I really want this Box Set to be available, so I'm fighting the good fight. Stay tuned.

[TheDoorsMusic]

First it was a vote for 5 CD's over 4.  Now it might be a download?  Sounds like you don't have control over the distribution of this doors product as the manager.

Edited by TheDoorsMusic, 20 November 2011 - 07:31 AM.

[avp2027]

Doorsmanagement, on 20 November 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

We're working it out...Rhino US wasn't feeling the 5 CD Box Set, wanted to do it as a digital download only....but I think Rhino UK wants to do it, so if THEY do, then the US division probably will, too.

Too soon to tell, but looks pretty good. Stand by. Either way, it WILL be available digitally, but I really want this Box Set to be available, so I'm fighting the good fight. Stay tuned.

If it becomes digital only the price should definitely be lowered.  If this becomes the case, will those of us who already pre-ordered and paid in full receive a partial refund? Additionally, I don't intend to sound rude but honestly how are you guys possibly taking immediate payment pre-orders if the product might not even exist?

Edited by avp2027, 20 November 2011 - 08:46 AM.

[Hamlet]

TheDoorsMusic, on 20 November 2011 - 07:09 AM, said:

First it was a vote for 5 CD's over 4.  Now it might be a download?  Sounds like you don't have control over the distribution of this doors product as the manager.

Well, if you want to have a 5 cd box, why don´t you set up the production and distribution?-

Contact Rhino and The Doors.

Just work it out!

[daniel@falaschi.net]

avp2027, on 20 November 2011 - 08:36 AM, said:

If it becomes digital only the price should definitely be lowered.  If this becomes the case, will those of us who already pre-ordered and paid in full receive a partial refund? Additionally, I don't intend to sound rude but honestly how are you guys possibly taking immediate payment pre-orders if the product might not even exist?

[Six Bachelors]

Hmmm, if this is only available as a digital version, I'm out. It's not what I signed up for. I don't mind waiting longer but please, this is serious - possibly the ultimate release for hardcore Doors fans so far. It deserves to be on disc. I'll rip my hair out if it is shrunk down to an iTunes only release in crappy mp3. Please no. Please, please no.

I think the only way I'd stomach digital only is if it's available at a massively reduced price (no more than $8-10/disc) and is available in 24-bit lossless FLACs. I won't pay 5 cents for the whole thing in mp3.

[Pats Radio]

Six Bachelors, on 20 November 2011 - 11:20 AM, said:

Hmmm, if this is only available as a digital version, I'm out. It's not what I signed up for. I don't mind waiting longer but please, this is serious - possibly the ultimate release for hardcore Doors fans so far. It deserves to be on disc. I'll rip my hair out if it is shrunk down to an iTunes only release in crappy mp3. Please no. Please, please no.

I think the only way I'd stomach digital only is if it's available at a massively reduced price (no more than $8-10/disc) and is available in 24-bit lossless FLACs. I won't pay 5 cents for the whole thing in mp3.

Yawn. If it only comes in mp3 you'll still buy it. I mean honestly cut the comedy please. I want the box too but seriously if it's digital only, I'm in regardless. Any Doors nut would be. Please.



Pats Radio

[Pats Radio]

Doorsmanagement, on 20 November 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

We're working it out...Rhino US wasn't feeling the 5 CD Box Set, wanted to do it as a digital download only....but I think Rhino UK wants to do it, so if THEY do, then the US division probably will, too.

Too soon to tell, but looks pretty good. Stand by. Either way, it WILL be available digitally, but I really want this Box Set to be available, so I'm fighting the good fight. Stay tuned.

Hey Jeff, if UK wants to do it does that mean they will even though the US won't? What I mean is, are they the same so if one does it they both do it or are they separate? If they are separate would that mean we could still buy the box through the UK???? If so then I'd buy the box thru UK and the hardcore nuts like us could still be happy if US Warner Bros. snores at the wheel. Please let us know. Thanks Jeff.


Sidebar: When is the deadline date on this??? Doesn't it have to be soon with Jan release date or will this now be pushed back???




Pats Radio

Edited by Pats Radio, 20 November 2011 - 12:49 PM.

[hardrockcafe]

Doorsmanagement, on 20 November 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

We're working it out...Rhino US wasn't feeling the 5 CD Box Set, wanted to do it as a digital download only....but I think Rhino UK wants to do it, so if THEY do, then the US division probably will, too.

Too soon to tell, but looks pretty good. Stand by. Either way, it WILL be available digitally, but I really want this Box Set to be available, so I'm fighting the good fight. Stay tuned.

A few observations to share with Rhino:

1.) If it's going to be digital only, the price of the super deluxe edition should be reduced, since they won't have any packaging and production costs.
2.) Mp3s are compressed, lossy and they suck.  Consider FLAC
3.) Other legacy 70s acts are having success this season with multi-disc CD box sets including 5 or more discs:  Pink Floyd (Immersion box sets: Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, The Wall), Jethro Tull (Aqualung), Grateful Dead (Europe 72).  So if Rhino doesn't think a Doors box will sell as well, is that a reflection of Rhino's perception of The Doors -- or Rhino's inability to market product? Is the band forced to use Rhino due to the Warner relationship?
4.) If it's going to be digital only, why not release it NOW?  You won't have to print or replicate discs?

Personally, I'm not a fan of downloads, just because hard drives usually fail every few years and I have to keep redubbing the digital files to other hard drives or optical media as a backup.  It's a pain in the ass.  FLAC would be OK, but mp3s suck.

I think Rhino should offer a blended model-->put out the CDs for folks that want CDs -- and put out the download for folks that want downloads.

If Rhino is worried about profit margins, maybe they should stop putting out crap in CD boxes like the Monkees "Instant Replay" box set: http://www.rhino.com...-deluxe-edition

And finally, Rhino has it all wrong.  If any demographic wants downloads its the young folks that just buy individual songs and don't care about sound quality .  A 5 disc box is targeted at a more seasoned older hardcore fan that likely prefers physical media.  My two cents.


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Edited by hardrockcafe, 20 November 2011 - 02:15 PM.

[hardrockcafe]

My main struggle with this 5CD box potentially becoming a "download only" release is that they put it up for sale on their web site months ago as a CD box.  So did they see low demand?  I think a lot of folks held off on ordering until a tracklist (still pending) for the 5CD box is published.  Also, if "Rhino is not feeling it," why wasn't that decision made before the CD box set was put up for sale on the Doors web site.

[Encuentro]

hardrockcafe, on 20 November 2011 - 02:10 PM, said:

2.) Mp3s are compressed, lossy and they suck.  Consider FLAC

What is being lost with MP3s? For instance, if a fan were to download Love Her Madly as opposed to to listening to it on CD, what specifically would they be missing?

[hardrockcafe]

Encuentro, on 20 November 2011 - 02:47 PM, said:

What is being lost with MP3s? For instance, if a fan were to download Love Her Madly as opposed to to listening to it on CD, what specifically would they be missing?

A 16 bit CD contains more audio information that a lossy 256kbps mp3 file.  This is because mp3s discard some of the audio information in order to reduce the file size.  ==>From Wikipedia: "Lossy compression enables even greater reductions in file size by removing some of the data. Lossy compression typically achieves far greater compression but somewhat reduced quality than lossless compression by simplifying the complexities of the data."

Edited by hardrockcafe, 20 November 2011 - 02:53 PM.

[Encuentro]

hardrockcafe, on 20 November 2011 - 02:53 PM, said:

A 16 bit CD contains more audio information that a lossy 256kbps mp3 file.  This is because mp3s discard some of the audio information in order to reduce the file size.  ==>From Wikipedia: "Lossy compression enables even greater reductions in file size by removing some of the data. Lossy compression typically achieves far greater compression but somewhat reduced quality than lossless compression by simplifying the complexities of the data."

Thanks.

[The Royal Sperm]

really sad news, thanks god i haven't preordered it!

[Just Another Dark Witness]

Really lame news to this oldtimer/cd loving DOORS fanatic! Fight for the 5 cd set! I'd do it myself, because for years, I knew everyone at Rhino (being a Rhino artist the past 30 years), but sadly all my friends there are gone now. But I truly believe there's enough of us that would buy the set so it would be profitable for Rhino to do it.

We want the box set and we want it......NOW!

Or in January.....

[manboob]

Just Another Dark Witness, on 20 November 2011 - 05:15 PM, said:

Really lame news to this oldtimer/cd loving DOORS fanatic! Fight for the 5 cd set! I'd do it myself, because for years, I knew everyone at Rhino (being a Rhino artist the past 30 years), but sadly all my friends there are gone now. But I truly believe there's enough of us that would buy the set so it would be profitable for Rhino to do it.

We want the box set and we want it......NOW!

Or in January.....

WTF! Boy this took a turn for the worst!!  From the beginning of this project the promotion aspect was non existant, not to mention details of the box itself it would not be surprising if sales were garbage! Nobody wants to drop 100.00 for a box set of surprises.  I myself purchased it only now to learn of this half assed operation by rhino you would think after all these years they would get this right what a shame. This could go very bad very quickly!!  Get ready and bend over!!

[daniel@falaschi.net]

Bring the LA Woman in a 5cd box, please.
By the way...where is the application form for the JJ management institute???

[The Royal Sperm]

Jeff,

our members here prefer that 5CD box than any other release

maybe you can consider push back that expensive analogue sets to RSD 2012, for not to be in competition with the Long Awaited L.a.woman 41st Ann Box Set

[avp2027]

hardrockcafe, on 20 November 2011 - 02:44 PM, said:

My main struggle with this 5CD box potentially becoming a "download only" release is that they put it up for sale on their web site months ago as a CD box.  So did they see low demand?  I think a lot of folks held off on ordering until a tracklist (still pending) for the 5CD box is published.  Also, if "Rhino is not feeling it," why wasn't that decision made before the CD box set was put up for sale on the Doors web site.

That's my biggest question. I'm still purchasing it regardless of the format but I would significantly prefer the CD box over just downloaded files.  However, I think what you pose is a very paramount question. If this box set was not approved by Rhino and not actually slated for production, how were they possibly taking pre-orders that were billed immediately, instead of upon the shipping date, for something that still potentially doesn't exist?? If there had been any kind of track listing, even preliminarily, for this set, maybe more people would have pre-ordered it (I did).  Instead, people are forced to make a $100 decision absolutely in the blind other than having a listing for one CD with only 8 tracks of outtakes/alternates. If this box set becomes download only, those of us who pre-ordered it should absolutely be entitled to a complimentary physical copy of the 2 CD set.

[Hamlet]

The Royal Sperm, on 20 November 2011 - 06:20 PM, said:

Jeff,

our members here prefer that 5CD box than any other release

maybe you can consider push back that expensive analogue sets to RSD 2012, for not to be in competition with the Long Awaited L.a.woman 41st Ann Box Set

That´s not true.

I would like it all for download, including the 5cd box set.

I don´t think the sound quality is that bad. Not at all!

The snippet, "She Smells so Nice" is great quality. I couldn´t care less about FLAC.

So many factors are important if you want to listen and judge music acoustically.

And believe me, FLAC doesn´t really cut it compared to vinyl and pro hi-fi sound system.

I say, let us hear the music for Christmas! Get it out, now!