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[super8monsters]

Solve Et Coagula, on 14 April 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

This should have never been a court case anyway! Lenny Bruce was grabbing his crotch and making sexual innuendo at a night club right down the street at the same time! I had a friend who was there! They should have arrested Lenny Bruce too. The religious establishment at the time hated anything that was not biblical. I remember this on the news and Jackie Gleason was part of this new moral pre-Jerry Fawell Moral Majority. Jack Gleason had played characters that abused his wife (The Honeymooners) and a sleazy pool hustler (The Hustler) and yet he had it out for Morrison like Anita Bryant.

"The car was a bar." Jackie Gleason, on being asked by an interviewer if there was a bar in the train car.   Jackie's LSD trip  

I worship Jackie at the altar of greatness. Ralph Kramden and Norton. Can't beat that. I met both icons on the movie set of "Izzy and Moe" on Bleeker Street and the Bowery, directed by Jackie Cooper.

Lenny was arrested on stage, along with George Carlin, who happen to be in the audience. It was captured on tape. Lenny died of a drug overdose in 1966.
http://www.veoh.com/...8575404dT5AsBtj

The 60's....

[jymwrite]

The Doors Examiner interview with Dave Diamond who was instrumental in getting Jim Morrison pardoned this past Dec.

Jim  

[Defiance]

super8monsters, on 12 December 2010 - 03:15 PM, said:

Jim made remarks what to a homosexual could have been interpreted as disparaging innuendos that could have been taken as "homophobic". "The only ones who rush the stage are guys". And, by today's definition, the euphemism for "guys" means "balls". And having balls rushing the stage toward Jim was akin to being bum-rushed by hippie "tea baggers". "Tea" for jive. And "Bagger" what Southerners called Northerners. And Jim was a Southerner. Jim, before le deluge, represtented to Conservatives "White God-fearin' American apple pie, baseball, hot dogs and hockey moms". The Doors were embraced like The Monkees, and Bugs Bunny.

Jim never made any 'homophobic' remarks, nor did he say anything that could be 'taken' as 'homophobic' by any sane person.

Are you saying that a 'homosexual' is so screwed up in the head that he is ready to accuse Jim of being 'anti-gay' simply because Jim tells you what the weather is like today in L.A.?

Jim made a factual statement. He did not make any judgment.

It would be the same as Jim saying that what 'gay' men do to each other is not sex.

Did balls grow legs? If not, then how else could balls 'rush the stage'?

Salli, on 09 December 2010 - 06:15 PM, said:

Leave it to the witch to try and make the story of Jim's pardon all about her.  

This is the most self-less thing she has ever done. Cheers to her for redeeming herself.

flashing bliss, on 09 December 2010 - 06:38 PM, said:

I was just going to ask if an American 'pardon' was equivalent to a conviction being 'quashed' in an English court.   I guess not.  

A pardon is great news though, and we have Jim's word for it that he wanted those shameful charges off his record.   I'm sure he'd accept the decision even if he pursued having the convictions expunged afterwards.

What it means is that the state can go on arresting Black people for 'personal drug use' and do it completely unnoticed. What good is the pardon then?

A pardon can't change anything since God is the only one who can affect change.

Edited by Defiance, 11 June 2011 - 03:59 AM.

[Pedro Kazit]

Video(in Italy) Pardon Jim:  

[Pedro Kazit]

In Romania TV("Antena 3"); December 10, 2010(romanian language):  http://videonews.ant...-la-moartea-sa/

[twilla]

Pedro Kazit, on 17 June 2011 - 06:58 AM, said:

Video(in Italy) Pardon Jim:  

Thanks Pedro

[Pedro Kazit]

Thanks for you twilla. Me search other new video(in this thread of mizscarlett posted other 2 videos of NBC-in one talk Densmore-) of NBC about Jim pardon:  http://www.videosurf...-fla-1247622441

[twilla]

Pedro Kazit, on 06 August 2011 - 11:46 AM, said:

Thanks for you twilla. Me search other new video(in this thread of mizscarlett posted other 2 videos of NBC-in one talk Densmore-) of NBC about Jim pardon:  http://www.videosurf...-fla-1247622441

That was great

because I live in the Southwest USA I get to hear some new of the west coast but very little from the Atlantic or east coast

I appreciate all the updates you always have

[Defiance]

twilla, on 06 August 2011 - 04:47 PM, said:

That was great

because I live in the Southwest USA I get to hear some new of the west coast but very little from the Atlantic or east coast

Westcoast and Southwest is very similar since it is mostly desert in Southern CA.

This Charlie Crist is supposedly planning on running for Governor in 2014, which means that he exploited Jim Morrison so that he could be re-elected.

We need to urge Florida to over-turn the pardon.

http://www.tampabay....unning-governor

[GG Morrison]

mizscarlett43, on 09 December 2010 - 05:02 AM, said:

Damn, what's happened to this board? This is Jim's 67th birthday, the day before the Florida Clemency Board meets to decide whether he gets his pardon or not, and Alex Sink's office lets it be known that she will cast the deciding vote in favor of said pardon--and only a handful of Jim's so-called fans can be bothered to notice, let alone comment?

Where the f%$k is everybody? Shebang? GG?

This is a big deal, trust me. I've been bouncing off the walls since the news broke this afternoon, but so far the only champagne corks I've heard popping have been my own. (Well, okay, only one--and that was a bad bottle that I'm gonna have to return to Trader Joe's--but still.)

Oh, and check Kerry Humpherys' Facebook pardon website for the link to the Florida station that will be live-streaming the Clemency Board meeting tomorrow starting at 9 a.m. EST.

Sorry I didn't participate, Miz.  My board activity had sort of lapsed, but I did see this on the news and stuff.  I'm glad they did it--Jim and his family deserved at least that much--but a bit bittersweet to me as there was never anything to pardon.  

[jlo]

i don't know if this was posted already but a friend forwarded this link to me:

http://www.jimmorrisonpardon.com/

and, i just thought that i would add it here for whomever is interested.

[flashing bliss]

jlo, on 19 November 2011 - 09:45 PM, said:

i don't know if this was posted already but a friend forwarded this link to me:

http://www.jimmorrisonpardon.com/

and, i just thought that i would add it here for whomever is interested.

Nice one JLO.   Never mind the 'Pardon' bit. It says 'Charge Dismissed'. That's more like it.

[Defiance]

flashing bliss, on 20 November 2011 - 03:37 AM, said:

It says 'Charge Dismissed'. That's more like it.

What is even the point?

It is even worse now than if he hadn't been pardoned at all.... it is as if they are attempting to erase it and say it is all ok now. No harm, no foul.

Things aren't ok though since Black people are still being arrested for those same things. Drug use isn't even a crime in God's eyez.

This whole pardon business is a way to control Morrison in death since controlling him in life was not enough.

Edit: The charges are still there... and they always will be.

Edited by Defiance, 20 November 2011 - 05:01 AM.

[mizscarlett43]

Astonishing that it's been almost a year since all this went down, since Jim got his pardon* for the bogus charge of exposing himself, something he clearly didn't do but was charged with and convicted of anyway, while being acquitted of the more-or-less legitimate** charge of public drunkenness.


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* "Pardon" meaning among other things that Jim's record was wiped as clean as if charges had never been brought in the first place.

** "Legitimate" insofar as the relentless hounding and persecution of those a paranoid and psychotic president (Tricky) and his minions deemed to be leaders of the counterculture could be considered "legitimate" in any sense of the word.

Edited by mizscarlett43, 20 November 2011 - 10:21 PM.

[Defiance]

mizscarlett43, on 20 November 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

Astonishing that it's been almost a year since all this went down, since Jim got his pardon* for the bogus charge of exposing himself, something he clearly didn't do but was charged with and convicted of anyway, while being acquitted of the more-or-less legitimate** charge of public drunkenness.

* "Pardon" meaning among other things that Jim's record was wiped as clean as if charges had never been brought in the first place.

** "Legitimate" insofar as the relentless hounding and persecution of those a paranoid and psychotic president (Tricky) and his minions deemed to be leaders of the counter culture could be considered "legitimate" in any sense of the word.

No, Jim didn't get his pardon. Jim didn't get anything. All that happened was that a politician arranged a personally benefitial political manuever. Morrison, nor his true fans, didn't gain in the least bit.

Fans of Jim Morrison the 'Rock Star' were tricked into accepting an offer from the devil because they thought this whole thing to be 'cool'. The devil always wants a lot more in return though.... but it simply isn't worth it.

You make my point for me. The fact that his record is supposedly 'wiped clean' is the problem. They pretend like it never happened...but it did happen!!!

Jim wasn't part of a so-called 'counter-culture'.

Edited by Defiance, 20 November 2011 - 11:07 PM.

[jlo]

mizscarlett43, on 20 November 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

Astonishing that it's been almost a year since all this went down, since Jim got his pardon* for the bogus charge of exposing himself, something he clearly didn't do but was charged with and convicted of anyway, while being acquitted of the more-or-less legitimate** charge of public drunkenness.


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* "Pardon" meaning among other things that Jim's record was wiped as clean as if charges had never been brought in the first place.

** "Legitimate" insofar as the relentless hounding and persecution of those a paranoid and psychotic president (Tricky) and his minions deemed to be leaders of the counterculture could be considered "legitimate" in any sense of the word.

i was thinking the same thing, mizscarlett. i am glad that jim got this pardon. looks to me like governor kirk and richard nixon were cut from the same cloth.

what was happening during that time? it's astonishing to me that something like this witch hunt could have happened in the first place.


GOOD FOR JIM!!!

[mizscarlett43]

jlo, on 20 November 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

i was thinking the same thing, mizscarlett. i am glad that jim got this pardon. looks to me like governor kirk and richard nixon were cut from the same cloth.

what was happening during that time? it's astonishing to me that something like this witch hunt could have happened in the first place.


GOOD FOR JIM!!!

What was happening?

Not much, really--Vietnam and a few protests against the war here and there, stirred up by Commie agitators of course; plus some guys walked on the moon, there were a couple of assassinations, the economy tanked--it was nothing like today's peaceful and prosperous times, I can tell you that!

Popular culture was in the toilet too, I remember that well. The movies were just wretched--dreck like 2001, True Grit, Easy Rider--bleh.

The music was especially awful. We really, really could have used someone like Justin Bieber back then.

I dunno, it was a pretty boring time, all things considered...

Edited by mizscarlett43, 21 November 2011 - 09:23 PM.

[Defiance]

jlo, on 20 November 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

i was thinking the same thing, mizscarlett. i am glad that jim got this pardon. looks to me like governor kirk and richard nixon were cut from the same cloth.

what was happening during that time? it's astonishing to me that something like this witch hunt could have happened in the first place.

GOOD FOR JIM!!!

To answer your question, what was happening at that time was a systematic 'neutralization' of anything creative, in favor of replacing it with a Liberal-formed 'lowest common denominator' in the arts... much like we are seeing today with the Obama-era "czar" mentality (i.e. an Arts Czar who decides what you are allowed to experience).

Jimi, Janis, and Jim used drugs; they were therefore seen as 'cheaters' since not all musical artists were brave enough to try those drugs that the 3 J's took. It was viewed as 'performance enhancing' since the drugs they took made them able to create better music. The attitude was that they shouldn't be able to use drugs since it gave them an 'unfair advantage' over non-drug using individuals. These non-drug using 'lowest common denominator' individuals happen to be the ones that the Liberals want to promote.

I am not saying that everyone should use drugs since obviously not everyone is out there trying to make Rock music.

At least these new Republican candidates in 2012 support states-rights regarding medical cannabis, whereas Obama has spent much of his presidency going after pot smokers at the expense of allowing real criminals/terrorists to go free in Iraq and other places in West Asia (the Middle East).

I personally don't see how this 'witch-hunt' couldn't have happened. Those in charge were going against God's plan, so it is only expected that the tragic deaths of our great musical leaders would occur.

Edited by Defiance, 21 November 2011 - 06:16 PM.

[gc1966]

The guy pulled his tockley out, what does he need a pardon for?

[jlo]

mizscarlett43, on 21 November 2011 - 05:21 PM, said:

What was happening?

Not much, really--Vietnam and a few protests against the war here and there, stirred up by Commie agitators of course; plus some guys walked on the moon, there were a couple of assassinations, the economy tanked--it was nothing like today's peaceful and prosperous times, I can tell you that!

Popular culture was in the toilet too, I remember that well. The movies were just wretched--dreck like 2001, True Grit, Easy Rider--bleh.

The music was especially awful. We really, really could have used someone like Justin Bieber back then.
  I dunno, it was a pretty boring time, all things considered...

ok, ok...but you have to remember that i didn't have a clue back then...i wasn't clear, i'm sorry. i meant with the authorities, like kirk's ilk. it seems like they had to keep "you kids" in check, and they'd do anything to make an example of someone.

but maybe it isn't that different today. there are still those who have to preach about what they believe, and you better agree with them or else.

justin bieber, mizscarlett? you had jim morrison. i'm sorry...there is no comparison