you haven't an european version probably.right?
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:16 AM
91 interview with steven Wheeler
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:20 AM
Good idea on the thread but some of the dates could be more precise.
Chris M posted and personally I have read elsewhere that the actual date of the Scene jam with Jimi was on March 18. Lester Chambers was one of the other musicians and I've read that members of the McCoys were also present.
The comprehensive Whisky-a-Go-Go timeline here doesn't have Bo Diddley performing at the Whisky in 1968, only from November 2-12, 1967. If the date I came up with for the Continental Ballroom show is correct (and I believe it to be) then the show Jim joined Bo for was either November 2 or November 5-9.
The Blues Image/EB show was between May 1-4, 1969.
Maybe add a note that Jim was on his way to see the Rolling Stones at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on November 11, 1969 when he and Tom Baker were busted.
I have an article somewhere that has Ray Manzarek rushing backstage to meet Canned Heat after their set at a club in New York in 1967, I think the Scene. Jim may have been there, who knows.
Chris M posted and personally I have read elsewhere that the actual date of the Scene jam with Jimi was on March 18. Lester Chambers was one of the other musicians and I've read that members of the McCoys were also present.
The comprehensive Whisky-a-Go-Go timeline here doesn't have Bo Diddley performing at the Whisky in 1968, only from November 2-12, 1967. If the date I came up with for the Continental Ballroom show is correct (and I believe it to be) then the show Jim joined Bo for was either November 2 or November 5-9.
The Blues Image/EB show was between May 1-4, 1969.
Maybe add a note that Jim was on his way to see the Rolling Stones at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on November 11, 1969 when he and Tom Baker were busted.
I have an article somewhere that has Ray Manzarek rushing backstage to meet Canned Heat after their set at a club in New York in 1967, I think the Scene. Jim may have been there, who knows.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:22 AM
QUOTE (jim4371 @ Sep 23 2009, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe add a note that Jim was on his way to see the Rolling Stones at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on November 11, 1969 when he and Tom Baker were busted.
yes i forgot..also frank was there.
91 interview with steven Wheeler
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:43 AM
QUOTE (jim4371 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good idea on the thread but some of the dates could be more precise.
Chris M posted and personally I have read elsewhere that the actual date of the Scene jam with Jimi was on March 18. Lester Chambers was one of the other musicians and I've read that members of the McCoys were also present.
The comprehensive Whisky-a-Go-Go timeline here doesn't have Bo Diddley performing at the Whisky in 1968, only from November 2-12, 1967. If the date I came up with for the Continental Ballroom show is correct (and I believe it to be) then the show Jim joined Bo for was either November 2 or November 5-9.
The Blues Image/EB show was between May 1-4, 1969.
Maybe add a note that Jim was on his way to see the Rolling Stones at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on November 11, 1969 when he and Tom Baker were busted.
I have an article somewhere that has Ray Manzarek rushing backstage to meet Canned Heat after their set at a club in New York in 1967, I think the Scene. Jim may have been there, who knows.
Chris M posted and personally I have read elsewhere that the actual date of the Scene jam with Jimi was on March 18. Lester Chambers was one of the other musicians and I've read that members of the McCoys were also present.
The comprehensive Whisky-a-Go-Go timeline here doesn't have Bo Diddley performing at the Whisky in 1968, only from November 2-12, 1967. If the date I came up with for the Continental Ballroom show is correct (and I believe it to be) then the show Jim joined Bo for was either November 2 or November 5-9.
The Blues Image/EB show was between May 1-4, 1969.
Maybe add a note that Jim was on his way to see the Rolling Stones at Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix on November 11, 1969 when he and Tom Baker were busted.
I have an article somewhere that has Ray Manzarek rushing backstage to meet Canned Heat after their set at a club in New York in 1967, I think the Scene. Jim may have been there, who knows.
Got it. Thanks!
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Delaney & Bonnie and Friends at Thee Experience, September 2-3, 1969.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:48 AM
strange that in us version there isn't that elvis concert it was during a break of trial and then went to bahamas with fink.
91 interview with steven Wheeler
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
LISCIANDRO: Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.
"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."
BAM 7th March 1981
PAUL ROTCHILD : Danny Sugarman (co-author of the book) is a fan of The Doors who took Jerry Hopkins' original manuscript and destroyed it. Danny didn't interview me. Jerry did. Danny then changed a lot of my interview to hearsay that other people did. I'm furious about that book and so is everyone else I've talked to who is quoted in it. It's a great piece of sensationalism, very little of which holds to historical fact. The general shape of it is correct, but Jim is sensationalized rather spectacularly, and the best parts of Morrison are not there. The people who really helped The Doors' career are treated in a very cavalier manner, and the only people who come off well in my opinion are the groupies and syocpants who were hanging around the band and close to Danny Sugarman who was a groupie himself".
There's only one thing in the whole process that bothers me, and that is Danny Sugarman's book. If Jim Morrison were alive today, he'd be livid about that book. Not because of the truth it tells, but because of the lies it maintains. Like Sugarman's trying to keep going the myth that Jim might still be alive! That is pure, total, unmitigated bullshit. If Danny had sat there where your sitting and listened to Pam after she came back from Paris, he wouldn't be trying to perpetuate this myth - and that's what it is.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 12:48 AM
QUOTE (mewsical @ Sep 23 2009, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Delaney & Bonnie and Friends at Thee Experience, September 2-3, 1969.
Thanks! Did Jim attend both days? Was that the date of the incident?
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 01:03 AM
QUOTE (BallroomDays67 @ Sep 22 2009, 05:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks! Did Jim attend both days? Was that the date of the incident?
Not a diary-girl, so I'm going to say the first night, Tuesday, September 2? Did he show up on Wednesday? No idea. I didn't. I was taking the week off and was simply helping my friend Maddy out because her son, Steven, was sick and she couldn't work. I didn't call in to the club until Friday, to get my schedule, which was when I found out who he was.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 01:08 AM
Great. Thanks!
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QUOTE (giza @ Sep 23 2009, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
strange that in us version there isn't that elvis concert it was during a break of trial and then went to bahamas with fink.
Does it mention a venue?
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Great. Thanks!
You're welcome.
Can't believe it's been 40 years!
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 01:51 AM
09/12/70 - Miami Convention Center - Miami, FL
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Added. Thanks to you both.
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I shall sit down with my copy of "The Doors On The Road"
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In her book Strange Days, PK writes she and Morrison attends a concert w/ Jefferson Airplane. Ane meets Ginsberg.
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
we´s just joy-ridin´
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 05:47 AM
QUOTE (Hamlet @ Sep 23 2009, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In her book Strange Days, PK writes she and Morrison attends a concert w/ Jefferson Airplane. Ane meets Ginsberg.
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
Yes, but Grace Slick, not her royal highness Grace Kelly.
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 06:12 AM
QUOTE (Hamlet @ Sep 23 2009, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In her book Strange Days, PK writes she and Morrison attends a concert w/ Jefferson Airplane. Ane meets Ginsberg.
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
Morrison sitting in a booth w/ Gingsberg and PK, hears Grace Kelly retorting to a heckler: Oh, yeah, Morrison is here tonite!
Did that show take place on 5/6/70 at the Fillmore East?
Edited by BallroomDays67, 23 September 2009 - 06:21 AM.
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Unknown Date - Janis Joplin at the Fillmore Auditorium (accompanied by Eric Burdon) (10)
I decided to tackle this one...believe it or not rockstars' memories aren't terribly reliable.
So here's the evidence that might be helpful from the anecdote in the book:
He refers to this night as being the inspiration specifically for the song "San Franciscan Nights."
Janis Joplin is performing at the Fillmore in San Francisco.
Jim Morrison is present.
Members of the Grateful Dead are present.
The moon is full.
It wasn't cold and raining.
This incident would have had to have taken place at some point prior to June 16, 1967, as it was performed during their set at Monterey, which gives us a chronological jumping-off point.
Janis Joplin
According to this chronology, Janis played the Fillmore on these dates before July 19: February 19, March 12, April 10 & 12-13, April 21-22, May 11, and May 26-27.
The Animals
The fractured chronology (apparently the best available) here provides some dates to crosscheck the Animals appearances with these dates.
February 19: Possible.
The Animals were in California by March 19th, but February is basically unaccounted for.
March 12: Possible.
The Animals were in California by March 19th.
April 10 & 12-13: Possible.
The Animals were in Oakland on March 25th, and in Australia April 18th, with the time between unaccounted for.
April 21-22: Impossible.
The Animals were on tour in Australia.
May 11: Possible.
May is unaccounted for but they were in Monterey by June 16.
May 26-27: Possible.
May is unaccounted for but they were in Monterey by June 16.
Since it's Eric Burdon's story and he wasn't in San Francisco at the time, we can remove April 21-22 from the rest.
The Doors
February 19: Possible.
The Doors are in San Francisco on February 14th and 15th, but there is an unverified appearance on February 18th in Hollywood. If this date is legitimate, then it is highly unlikely Jim was in San Francisco on the 19th, as they appeared back in Hollywood on the 21st. If it isn't, then it's possible they lingered in San Francisco.
March 12: Improbable.
The Doors did play in San Francisco on the 11th, but they also played in New York on the 13th. I would wager they were in transit on the 12th.
April 10 & 12-13: Possible.
These dates would have fallen between an April 9th gig at the Cheetah in Santa Monica and the April 14-15 engagement at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, so it's entirely possible the band was in San Francisco by then.
May 11: Possible.
The Doors were probably in San Francisco, as they played at the Avalon Ballroom the following night.
May 26-27: 26th improbable, 27th impossible.
On May 24th the Doors were recording at Sunset Sound in Hollywood. May 26th is unaccounted for, but there was a show in Santa Barbara on May 27th. I would consider it unlikely that Morrison would go from Hollywood to San Francisco and then to Santa Barbara.
Since the Doors were in Santa Barbara on the 27th, this precludes Jim Morrison from being present, but the song could have been written about that night, just with Jim no longer being a part of the story.
The Grateful Dead
It wouldn't discredit the story to find out that members of the Grateful Dead weren't present but it would strike a blow against Burdon's memory, i.e. if the Dead weren't there, Morrison is just as likely not to have been there. Going from the guide here:
February 19: Possible.
Between dates at the Fillmore.
March 12: Impossible.
Playing a gig in West Hollywood.
April 10 & 12-13: Possible.
Between two dates in San Francisco.
May 11: Impossible.
Playing a gig in Fresno.
May 26-27: Possible.
Between dates in Santa Clara and Napa.
Full Moon
Same story, could call Burdon's memory into question. Using this moon phase calculator, this can be checked for accuracy. I'll just post what the moon would have looked like.
February 19: Improbable.
March 12: Impossible.
April 10 & 12-13: Impossible.
May 11: Impossible.
May 26-27: Possible.
Weather
Daily precipitation records for San Francisco here can be used to judge this. He notes that this night was special because it was not cold and rainy, which means we can take into account not just whether it rained that day but just how significant that occurrence would be.
February 19: Improbable.
It didn't rain on the 19th, but this is not terribly significant. Negligible amounts of rain had fallen on only two days earlier in February, the closest being the 15th.
March 12: Highly improbable.
In the middle of a rainy spell - but rainier than the day before and the day after.
April 10 & 12-13: Possible.
Of these days, there was no rain only on April 12th.
May 11: Improbable.
Negligible rain, in a relatively dry stretch.
May 26-27: Highly improbable.
Didn't rain and hadn't rained for 15 days prior, and even then there were two days of negligible measurements.
Conclusions
I read this kind of story a lot, where figures get inserted and memories become fuzzy. Clearly this story cannot be accurate in every respect. Going back to the topic at hand, I'd like to look at the possibility of Eric Burdon attending a Janis Joplin concert with Jim Morrison.
February 19: Highly improbable.
Depending on the legitimacy of the February 18th date in Hollywood, it could be that it occurred on this date. But that doesn't change the fact that at this point Eric Burdon and Janis Joplin probably had no idea who the hell Jim Morrison was.
March 12: Highly improbable.
This one day between gigs on opposite sides of the country was probably reserved for travel. Also, they still probably had no idea who the hell he was.
April 10 & 12-13: Improbable.
Morrison was almost certainly in San Francisco by the end of this engagement to perform at the Avalon Ballroom. Still, probably not well-known enough to have been invited backstage by Janis Joplin or been recognized by Eric Burdon, much less both.
May 11: Improbable.
Although quite likely in San Francisco, Morrison was still probably not known by them, and none of the supplemental factors apply.
May 26-27: 26th improbable, 27th impossible.
This is the earliest reasonable point out of these dates, in my opinion, to even guess that Morrison might have been known by both Burdon and Joplin. Still, it could not have been the 27th. The 26th would have been out of Morrison's way, but had he wanted to, he could have made it. But even then, there would have been less than two months for the single to be written, recorded, and released (first charted in July).
So - what do I think? I think that if Burdon actually did write this song on a night with a nearly full moon and no rain in a generally rainy stretch on a night Janis Joplin performed at the Fillmore, then it was probably at a show in 1966. Maybe Eric did see Jim backstage while Janis performed at the Fillmore - but in all likelihood it occurred after the song was written and released.
Educated guess - Song written in 1966 and the other factors are mostly true, but Jim was just inserted.
The moral of the story is never take these kind of stories at face value - 99% of the time they're a buncha crap.
And THAT is why they call me Bender the Magnificent.
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And THAT is why they call me Bender the Magnificent.
Indeed!
Wow, Chris!
Great work
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And THAT is why they call me Bender the Magnificent.
Impressive work!
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