If one was to pick a woman to mentor Jim, through the rigors of show business and what it could do to destroy you and teach him how to avoid it I would probably want to chose someone who had dealt with all the things Jim did (drugs = alcohol (alcohol is a drug), adulation, the inevitable swelled head that goes with the meeting of new fame head on, multiple sexual experiences, a difficult life filled with glory and sorrow, fair weather friends, etc.) and survived to live to a celebrated old age, I would have introduced him to Lana Turner. She would have been able to point out the pitfalls to Jim, better than anyone else I knew.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 07:41 PM
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:55 PM
Good choice Salli. It struck me that Billie Holiday might have been a
kindered spirit, but then I remembered that she died in 1959.
Ah, but had she lived...Holiday and Morrison sharing a drink and
some conversation? Man, that would have been something.
kindered spirit, but then I remembered that she died in 1959.
Ah, but had she lived...Holiday and Morrison sharing a drink and
some conversation? Man, that would have been something.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:33 AM
Wow! Can you imagine that as a film? What a wealth of experiences they would have had to compare and dissect and from two such different backgrounds.
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:41 AM
It's a shame that Jim tried to be like Mick but tripped short on a few hurdles.
It's ok,we can forgive him.
Jim will always be Jim.
And then there's Mick.
It's ok,we can forgive him.
Jim will always be Jim.
And then there's Mick.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:45 AM
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between '67-'71 jagger would be one of the last guys you'd want to mentor jim... he was lucky himself to make it out of that decade... moreso, this was a period wh/ only predated another wave of drug abuse by him w/ his coke usage during his studio 54 days of the '70's..
i'd bet a british pound that infact it was mick who did more drugs then morrison in the '60's... his only saving grace to his body is he didnt pickle his liver in a sea of alcohol like jim....
but again, drugs aside... what could a late '60's ego laden, trend chasin' mick tell him about steering a ship?...
his own band would be tied to a worse debacle at altamont then the doors miami... the downside for jim of course was it was he that was put on trial... but how smart & indirectly liable were mick & the boys in choosing the violent speed head hells angels to roadie the show?
or how intelligent was the career design of differentation by mapping your trends thru '68 based on wh/ way the beatles stepped?
or then instead should mick have lectured jim about group unity? ... i'm sure he'd have a lot of great advice of how to isolate your key orginal creative force in the band & then leave him to his own devices so he can end up belly down in a swimming pool...
look, mick was always a shrewd promotor.. & usually had a sharp ear for music trends & able to create viable music w/in it & finally was the ego fueled catalyst who had the energy & focus to drive the vision into the bands success... but to first think thats what music was about for jim.... -or- to think a large scale cannibal of drugs & other people would be a good guide to daily living styles for jim ... is imo to grossly misunderstand both jim & mick...
what was killing jim at best would only have another log on the fire added to it if he aped micks day in a life of that era... what kept mick alive then was vanity & a level of fear to go as deep as jim would.
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i'd bet a british pound that infact it was mick who did more drugs then morrison in the '60's... his only saving grace to his body is he didnt pickle his liver in a sea of alcohol like jim....
but again, drugs aside... what could a late '60's ego laden, trend chasin' mick tell him about steering a ship?...
his own band would be tied to a worse debacle at altamont then the doors miami... the downside for jim of course was it was he that was put on trial... but how smart & indirectly liable were mick & the boys in choosing the violent speed head hells angels to roadie the show?
or how intelligent was the career design of differentation by mapping your trends thru '68 based on wh/ way the beatles stepped?
or then instead should mick have lectured jim about group unity? ... i'm sure he'd have a lot of great advice of how to isolate your key orginal creative force in the band & then leave him to his own devices so he can end up belly down in a swimming pool...
look, mick was always a shrewd promotor.. & usually had a sharp ear for music trends & able to create viable music w/in it & finally was the ego fueled catalyst who had the energy & focus to drive the vision into the bands success... but to first think thats what music was about for jim.... -or- to think a large scale cannibal of drugs & other people would be a good guide to daily living styles for jim ... is imo to grossly misunderstand both jim & mick...
what was killing jim at best would only have another log on the fire added to it if he aped micks day in a life of that era... what kept mick alive then was vanity & a level of fear to go as deep as jim would.
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WOW!! I must say, that was brilliant!!! I totally just loved how you said it!! I could not have said it better!!! I am in aaawwwww!!!!! :cheers:
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:47 AM
Jim,the "old blues man"
Couldn't even play a harmonica
Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 05:52 AM
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Jim,the "old blues man"
Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Yeah, OK, I think you need to goto the Rolling Stones web site!! :peace:
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:04 AM
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Jim,the "old blues man"
Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Yeah, OK, I think you need to goto the Rolling Stones web site!! :peace:
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But then there would be no comparisons
Jim,the "old blues man"
Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Yeah, OK, I think you need to goto the Rolling Stones web site!! :peace:
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But then there would be no comparisons
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:28 AM
QUOTE(markstar1971 @ Feb 2 2006, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE(markstar1971 @ Feb 1 2006, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/quote][quote]
Jim,the "old blues man"
Couldn't even play a harmonica
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Yeah, OK, I think you need to goto the Rolling Stones web site!! :peace:
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But then there would be no comparisons
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Why would anyone want to compare themselves to Mick Jagger of all people. I know, Mark, you must be having us on for a bit of a giggle.
FYI, I knew Brian and I met Chris Jagger. Neither one was enamoured of Mick. Mick wasn't at that time in his life a very nice human being, unless he had something to gain from knowing you. Once he got it, he dropped you like a losing ticket at the track. As for drug abuse, he did that too. Oh yes, as was pointed out before, Mick stole his dance steps directly from Tina Turner who got a kick out of the imitation is flattery fellow. What a charmer, our Michael Philip.
Oh yes, one more thing. Between Jim and Mick? There are no comparisons. :lickit:
Jim,the "old blues man"
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Yeah, OK, I think you need to goto the Rolling Stones web site!! :peace:
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But then there would be no comparisons
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Why would anyone want to compare themselves to Mick Jagger of all people. I know, Mark, you must be having us on for a bit of a giggle.
FYI, I knew Brian and I met Chris Jagger. Neither one was enamoured of Mick. Mick wasn't at that time in his life a very nice human being, unless he had something to gain from knowing you. Once he got it, he dropped you like a losing ticket at the track. As for drug abuse, he did that too. Oh yes, as was pointed out before, Mick stole his dance steps directly from Tina Turner who got a kick out of the imitation is flattery fellow. What a charmer, our Michael Philip.
Oh yes, one more thing. Between Jim and Mick? There are no comparisons. :lickit:
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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Salli,your royal worshippleness,
If anyone took things too seriously it was Jim over the comments of "they were nice fellows but they played too long",that was blown out of proportion from Micks comments of the Hollywood Bowl performance,he never simply said "boring" as it has been written about in several cash-in books.
I do believe Jim tried to board the popularity train but never quite got there when he released that there were quite a few down and outers that were playing some really good music.
Jim was a sensitive bloke and only a wimp doesn't stand up for themselves and Jim knew this,but the least he could do if he was going to heckle Mick front row,was to do some sit-ups,maybe 3 sets of star-jumps and finish off by doing some squat-trusts before getting arrested.
If anyone took things too seriously it was Jim over the comments of "they were nice fellows but they played too long",that was blown out of proportion from Micks comments of the Hollywood Bowl performance,he never simply said "boring" as it has been written about in several cash-in books.
I do believe Jim tried to board the popularity train but never quite got there when he released that there were quite a few down and outers that were playing some really good music.
Jim was a sensitive bloke and only a wimp doesn't stand up for themselves and Jim knew this,but the least he could do if he was going to heckle Mick front row,was to do some sit-ups,maybe 3 sets of star-jumps and finish off by doing some squat-trusts before getting arrested.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 06:56 AM
I think you're talking out of your ass there Mark. 
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Salli,your royal worshippleness,
If anyone took things too seriously it was Jim over the comments of "they were nice fellows but they played too long",that was blown out of proportion from Micks comments of the Hollywood Bowl performance,he never simply said "boring" as it has been written about in several cash-in books.
I do believe Jim tried to board the popularity train but never quite got there when he released that there were quite a few down and outers that were playing some really good music.
Jim was a sensitive bloke and only a wimp doesn't stand up for themselves and Jim knew this,but the least he could do if he was going to heckle Mick front row,was to do some sit-ups,maybe 3 sets of star-jumps and finish off by doing some squat-trusts before getting arrested.
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If anyone took things too seriously it was Jim over the comments of "they were nice fellows but they played too long",that was blown out of proportion from Micks comments of the Hollywood Bowl performance,he never simply said "boring" as it has been written about in several cash-in books.
I do believe Jim tried to board the popularity train but never quite got there when he released that there were quite a few down and outers that were playing some really good music.
Jim was a sensitive bloke and only a wimp doesn't stand up for themselves and Jim knew this,but the least he could do if he was going to heckle Mick front row,was to do some sit-ups,maybe 3 sets of star-jumps and finish off by doing some squat-trusts before getting arrested.
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Mark, le surf de roi Jagger,
Yes, Mick was good at thrust and parry. Perhaps Jim just didn't wish to dignify the remark? Seriously, I'm really not sure that either of us could comment on this episode with any sense of authority. I know I wasn't at the Hollywood Bowl. You?
Re the heckling - I think "jumping jacks" would have been more appropriate. :cheers:By the by - which Stones song is your favorite?
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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I think you're talking out of your ass there Mark.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:05 AM
Get outta here man.
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Get outta here man. 
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hahaha
That's funny,I don't mind if people post cartoons if they can't put what they want to say into words.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:14 AM
Well, let me put this into words for you. You're talkin' smack.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:19 AM
Well...
I didn't really want to bring this out but...
It takes one to know one,right?
right...?
right?
?
I didn't really want to bring this out but...
It takes one to know one,right?
right...?
right?
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:23 AM
THROWDOWN, BITCHES!!!!!
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 07:33 AM
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :cheers:
Mark I know you like Mick, (obvious) but could you do me a wee tiny favor...change avatar to Keith maybe? Much prefer the pirate....or maybe to Jim? :devil:
Mark I know you like Mick, (obvious) but could you do me a wee tiny favor...change avatar to Keith maybe? Much prefer the pirate....or maybe to Jim? :devil:
History, Sir, will tell lies, as usual." From the film The Devil's Disciple
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:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :cheers:
Mark I know you like Mick, (obvious) but could you do me a wee tiny favor...change avatar to Keith maybe? Much prefer the pirate....or maybe to Jim? :devil:
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Mark I know you like Mick, (obvious) but could you do me a wee tiny favor...change avatar to Keith maybe? Much prefer the pirate....or maybe to Jim? :devil:
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As much as i'd like to..
it simply can't be done
how could one delete the rock god that set the standard in New York late 60's
Even Robert Plant tried to shape up,good,but not that good.
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